EVE General Discussion

Well, EVE's roleplaying is quite faulty. All of my characters have got their own background and other details, but those are just some words. I, FAI, do have an explanation on why Indahmawar is currently wearing a blonde wig and has made up herself as if she was an older woman than she is.

You know, every ship in EVE is like the next one. See an Apocalypse, and you've seen all. Avatars are unique, and since Incursion, they are VERY unique. But alas, they also are uniquely useless.

And guess who's fault is this.

BTW, up above I already suggested a way to integrate dungeon raiding into EVE gameplay and EVE lore (through "drone clones" with augmentation modules, controlled from the safety of your pod, which also would open the door to in-station PvP blood sports). It's just another of the many ideas i've thrown into this thread and some others.

I've been ranting and forwarding ideas for months just because I care about EVE. I am not a cool player and I might be some freak who never played the game the way CCP told me, but nonetheless i enjoyed the game for three years and the last months of ranting in forums have been quite sad to live through.

You realise that there are people in Eve, right now, right at this instant, who are capable of roleplaying without some pretty graphics of their character walking around in a room with other characters? You realise that there is a whole forum on eve-o dedicated to roleplayers and roleplaying? You realise that roleplayers have been a part of Eve since the very beginning, that CVA and Ushra'Khan were beating the crap out of each other for the glory of Amarr and the freedom of the Minmatar peoples before WiS was even a glimmer in CCP's eye?

Your insistence that roleplayers need CCP holding their hands and providing them a WiS environment because the poor little lambs are so unimaginative, and can't handle the suspension of belief unless they have bars and meeting rooms on screen in front of them, is not just laughably absurd but tremendously patronising.

You do realize that everyone in this game can fly ships without some pretty graphics of their ships leaving engine trails or having the turrets be animated. You do realize that everyone can also play this game without Nebula's or having Stargates pointed to a specific star. I could go on and on but the question here is why did CCP spend time and resources to implement that. It's just pointless fluff. It definitely didn't add any meaningful new game play content nor was it needed to play the game.

Going by your philosophy then the answer would be that all the poor little FiS bears flying around in their little spaceships are so unimaginative, they couldn't handle the suspension of belief unless they had that content added to the game.

The correct answer is because it adds immersion. As I said before, this game is based on a visual experience which is intended to enhance the players enjoyment.

Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play.

Wait... Racist? What?

That word...I don't it means what you think it means.

you have to start somewhere.
The FIS part of EVE is not build overnight to what it is today.
Even if CCP finds a way to add meaningful gameplay and don,t get me wrong ,i want WIS to be meaningful to EVE,some sort of social space in station in the form of corpmeeting rooms or commandcenters for the dustslaves is much wanted.

You are more than a ship. You are an immortal god, striding amongst the stars forging a destiny for yourself. We're not Han Solo stepping in and out of the Millenium Falcon, we are floating in pod goo most of our lives. This ... preview of WiS ... was done wrong. It could have been done much better.

I still believe they have a lot of potential in their avatar based gameplay. But I'm more and more thinking they need to focus on the social aspects, the construction and manufacturing aspects and should release it as a whole new product line. There should be scope for us, as capsuleers, to be in on it. But we should be capsuleers.

We are the gods that walk amongst the stars. We're not bartenders.

Well it is rather unfortunate that you do not approve of CCP's efforts in graphically enhancing its existing gameplay, rather than investing into fancy avatars that currently has zero gameplay.

We're puppet masters that use expendable drone clones to talk to mortals. We are gods and drone clones are our avatars, as we only reveal ourselves to other gods.

Currently in the lore, capsuleers are mortal outside of their pod. But the DUST device opens the door to capsuleers taking risks as never before. Plug in a Socket 6 implant and control an avatar able to do what you would never do... to explore, to interact to mortals, and to die. It will be just a notch in the bill.

We use jump clones to drive ourselves into the mouth of death in space. Certainly we could pay for allowing us to do the same on the ground.

There was on FanFest that they want to make POS something that everybody wants scaling from your personal CQ to grand construction which can do many things. (words are different but message is the same)
So i think there will be something like that.

And this is new hint that, at least, they are thinking about WiS everywhere.

The gameplay for spaceship-based activities already exists, so CCP have the luxury of adding graphical enhancements (as well as fixing and adding content).

Gameplay for WiS is currently non-existent, so CCP need to prioritise work on adding fun, interesting and meaningful things to do on foot rather than trying to dazzle us with feature-free and vacuous nonsense like "social environments". Crying out "won't somebody please think of the children roleplayers" doesn't change that, because like the rest of us, roleplayers want fun, interesting and meaningful things to do as well.


This game is a spreadsheet, and the typical player zooms all the way out in order to maximise their situational awareness on the tactical overlay. Graphical updates are nice to have, and CCP has an art department so they may as well use it for updating existing graphical assets when they're not working on new things, but they're not nearly as important as gameplay content.


Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do.

Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS.