EVE General Discussion

So instead of being happy that WiS hasn't been outright canceled you're going to double down on insulting the devs who are adding features and fixing bugs?

Keep it classy, WiS fetishists.

That CGI trailer is ccps challenge to self.

"This is the game we want to make" - CCP

Last years trailer is slowly becomming a reality this year, we prove orbital bombardment and very soon you can see for yourself in the beta.

If the developers choose to be offended by my honest opinion, then that's their problem. I'm not going to change what i think to make them or idiots like you feel better.

I want a good out of pod experience, that isn't going to change... but if ccp can't provide that in the foreseeable future, then i would prefer they stop stringing us along with CGI trailers.

Me too...imagine all the great stuff they could do if they didn't waste time trying to placate a tiny handful of people who will never be happy.

I am all for WOD moving forward. It is using the same technology that WIS and the "end Bill" of there research will be pushed to WOD to pay off while it is running paying freeing up funds for CCP to spend on EVE.Ie:
Motion Capture - Wis can now steal from WOD
Emotes - Wis Can steal from WOD
Localization Technology - like Serburs WAS stolen from WOD
Environment Development technology - TIghting Textures, room Building, object construction
PVE Creation Tools: The mechanics can be modified to suite the eve environment.

WOD is like Learning skills - invest now for a little bit and the future pay out will be amazing, need to help the newb grow so we can rob him blind when he has something worth while to steal.

You think you're insulting me but I've said before I want this thread to remain on the first page. I don't want CCP to forget the commitments they have made.

I'd be tempted to handle them in reverse. Let WiS, which has an established MMO universe with players to deliver content to, be the one to lead with WoD with a pen and paper population follow behind.

Ai Shun wrote:

I'd be tempted to handle them in reverse. Let WiS, which has an established MMO universe with players to deliver content to, be the one to lead with WoD with a pen and paper population follow behind.

Gevlins Rebuttle.
They have been in the development stages since 2007, and are now beginning with this year working with Jumping and Climbing animations with the actual characters. Work is still being done on the WIS engine to allow content to be created and optimized.
WIS is back to the Visualization stage. Besides most FIS evangulists are but hurt about WIS and its, flop. So ramping up WIS now is bad.

WOD would have actually been far more along than it is now, but CCP has been switching them from EVE incarna, Dust 514 to force these projects out. In return they have been throwing staff at them to make up lost time, then caning boat loads of them when they realized it was not working. At this Rate CCP is going to kill WOD before it is able to produce any work.
Every time you have to drop a project to jump on another you loose the Momentum, people have to relearn what was forgotten, rebuild the social infrastructure with in the group when they return to their work.

There are fans and revenue to be earned from WOD. If EVE plants a spy in WOD development team and copy all their technology. I will make me very happy, when they launch and if successful the spy can continue to steal copies of their phat loot.

My personal dream of being able to have tools to create player adventures will come though WOD as the focus of White Wolf was the live action roleplaying, a 25% of these people are Story Tellers (game masters) and many would desire the ability to build a tale that others can experience.

For long term growth WIS needs to make a plan and tie that plan into FIS in several spots, not just Stations.
We need to allow WOD to grow, see what they are planning, see how it works with our WIS plan, (rename it) Avoid Duplication. Then pirate what stuff we need. add the eve tough to it and pop out WIS.

Doh, I'm playing Deux Ex: Human Revolution and have gone to my apartment (Jensen's apartment) for the first time and it's been quite amazing how it feels to have a place of your own in a RPG... it really has made me connect with that Jensen dude I've been moving around Detroit.

And makes me think, it is so awful how the CQs never caused such an impression on me.

In a way, I always wished that this tune would become litherally true someday:

Jon Hallur - My other residency (EVE Online ST)

But that it's not even in the plans anymore.

I am just not eager to simply though away the small amount of momentum gained over the last 5 years. These WOD developers are there not because they are there to have a job and program they are there because they are bringing a dream of bringing WOD to the MMO world. Pulling them off their love and producing Space stuff they have no vested interest in will drain the evangelist energy that allow them to produce on only Caffeine and 3 hours sleep night.

FLUFF - Wall of text.
This summer we should see a "Plan" Completed by Team Avatar

WOD is to officially announce its being , after 5(?) years of development in October at their the Fan event. Which after looking at Dusts production cycle means they will be out in 2 years.

In Winter of 2012 Team Avatar will have a battle hardened their plan in place, planed out the structure they need. They stolen some stuff from WOD and make plans of what else they will steal in the future months. They will start ramping up staff to produce a T1 level of dreams for Spring of 2013 including the converted items stolen from WOD. We will see high advanced motion capture and character development stolen from WOD – minus the WOD specific items, and limited room expansion.

My guess is that 50% of the stuff currently being produced by WOD can be Stolen and easily converted to WIS. From Spring of 2013 till the end of Spring 2014 I can see a substantial amount of stuff coming to WIS, With a strong focus of integration with in FIS

Though on the sad point on the 6 month period of release before WOD June 2014 to Oct 2014) I can see 0% progress on WIS as the WIS team moves to WOD to push that product out. After than WIS should move at Double rate as it was before as the WOD technology to be stolen will be pre battle tested, and should be an easy import after the Anti- WOD filter is put in place. A strong focus on Environments will start at this point.