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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Taiwanistan
#3741 - 2012-03-20 01:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Rek Seven wrote:
Guttripper wrote:

There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize

So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)

But I could be wrong.


Why does "meaningful gameplay" have to revolve around us shooting each other? I assume you and Taiwanstan are American..

I think there are only a couple of people who have said WiS shouldn't have PVP in it. The majority of EVE players would most likely be in favour of in station PVP but it would have to be drastically different from the FiS style of combat. I think the last thing people would want is for stations to be full of people jumping around firing lasers like some twelve year old Halo player, but if we where to have that style of play, it would have to be reserved for nul sec and we would need something differentness in high sec.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's not our job to decide what should be in WiS, we're just here to show support for its expansion through the implementation of actual gameplay

PS. I'm happy to see that Taiwanistan has finally seen the light and moved over to the pr WiS camp Roll


(self quote)
also the products of wis activities (i mean there must be products that derive from wis, no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking.
if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3742 - 2012-03-20 01:39:46 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Guttripper wrote:

There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize

So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)

But I could be wrong.


Why does "meaningful gameplay" have to revolve around us shooting each other? I assume you and Taiwanstan are American..

I think there are only a couple of people who have said WiS shouldn't have PVP in it. The majority of EVE players would most likely be in favour of in station PVP but it would have to be drastically different from the FiS style of combat. I think the last thing people would want is for stations to be full of people jumping around firing lasers like some twelve year old Halo player, but if we where to have that style of play, it would have to be reserved for nul sec and we would need something differentness in high sec.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's not our job to decide what should be in WiS, we're just here to show support for its expansion through the implementation of actual gameplay

PS. I'm happy to see that Taiwanistan has finally seen the light and moved over to the pr WiS camp Roll


also the products of wis activities (no clothes and other vanities should still be via NEX) has to be part of the player controlled market/industry, as demonstrated by how PI products are made, bought and sold by the players. *no it's not all about the ganking.
if these conditions are not met there is no reason for wis to exist.


Yikes, my head is exploding!

Liking your post and looking outside to see if its raining frogs.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate.
Taiwanistan
#3743 - 2012-03-20 02:11:26 UTC
There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.

Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3744 - 2012-03-20 03:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Flamespar
Taiwanistan wrote:
There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.

Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


Not completely true. Players are attracted by the visual appearance of a game, and it does add to the overall experience, why do you think CCP upgraded to the trinity engine in the first place? From the perspective of a new player, the appearance of a game is a major aspect that they judge it by before they make the decision to buy.

If you really believe what you are saying, you should also be telling CCP to stop work on V3 ships, new effects, turrets, particle effects, and customisable ship skins.

EVE's cutting edge graphics are one of it's unique selling points. They need to remain on that edge to remain competitive.

The truth is, gameplay and appearance are tightly coupled. Each sweetens, the other if you like. For some people, admiring your ship in the hanger, or your avatar in the CQ, is gameplay. Meeting up in a corp room, for some, is gameplay. Making stuff blow up, for some, is gameplay.

You make the mistake of defining gameplay as those features that you personally enjoy.

Mining is the exception, which is like dying a slow death from boredom. Evil
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#3745 - 2012-03-20 04:02:58 UTC
I want more graphical goodies instead of WiS
Too many Jagged Lines!!!

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3746 - 2012-03-20 04:04:19 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I could hardly see myself as "crazed".


Insulting developers who are working hard to make the game better for everybody because they aren't working on space pants and roleplayer nonsense is a pretty good definition of "crazed". For the first hundred pages of this thread you whined that nobody from CCP was talking to you and then when they do you hurl negativity at them...real classy.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#3747 - 2012-03-20 04:16:30 UTC
i want walking in stations, i been flying in space and twerling my ship around for 9 years! give us veterans a new frontier to venture apon

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3748 - 2012-03-20 06:26:24 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
i want walking in stations, i been flying in space and twerling my ship around for 9 years! give us veterans a new frontier to venture apon


Other than your SIG, a very large like for your post!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3749 - 2012-03-20 06:34:32 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
There is a concept, resources are finite, so when buying a blade you want the one with the sharpest edge, not the one with the most ornate hilt. I imagine there is some austerity measures going on in CCP, times are not great. The things you described Issler corp room and etc, are the nice ornamentation on the hilt, not the edge. Gameplay is the cutting edge that will retain and attract players. With many challenges looming in the horizon, i don't see how CCP can spare the resources on ornamentation.

Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


Yes, I am somehow responsible for every person's idea of WiS?? Are you personally responsible for every irrational goon troll?

No, you aren't. Because unlike at least one goon troll common here that found it impossible to use the character creator and has been cursed with the ugliest face in all of Eve and an obsession with pants, you actually post some well thought out posts.

I don't paint you with the stereotype goon brush because you show reason. I ask you to give me the same courtesy, measure me by MY ideas and what I post, not the imagined worst case stereotypes of emoting NeX fashion obsessed "space barbies" because that is definitely not me and not the pro ambulation folks that posted in this thread.

Issler Danze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#3750 - 2012-03-20 06:48:58 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.

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Ai Shun
#3751 - 2012-03-20 07:22:07 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Yikes, my head is exploding!

Liking your post and looking outside to see if its raining frogs.


I must admit to doing a similar double take. After his stoush with DMC; I fully thought Taiwanistan was rabidly, vehemently against anything related to WiS. Which just shows how easy it is to misread someone on a forum.

I don't know how much anyone can take from it; but I am glad to see at least a reasonable amount of rational discussion.

Dunno why, maybe it is the beer talking but it is warming my cold Caldari heart.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3752 - 2012-03-20 07:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP.

Shocked

Epic post.

Lol

Everybody dance now.

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bornaa
GRiD.
#3753 - 2012-03-20 10:45:55 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.



XD... that link... LolLolLolLol

I LOVE IT!!! Big smile
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Severian Carnifex
#3754 - 2012-03-20 12:06:28 UTC
Whats this?
We are all friends now??? What?

Goooooooooooo WiS! BlinkBig smile
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3755 - 2012-03-20 13:59:08 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.


Doh, for a second, that vid sent a chill down my spine... so much potential, so much wasted... Sad
Tristan North
The Scope
#3756 - 2012-03-20 14:45:38 UTC
Am I the only one that want to be able to use all races clothing/haircuts?

Not a huge improvement for WiS, i know, but at least let us enjoy what's already there. Big smile
Taiwanistan
#3757 - 2012-03-20 14:46:20 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.


... there are no words, all is lost

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3758 - 2012-03-20 14:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Doh... either it's a briliant flop by CCP or it's an epic trolling... but sbdy just uploaded a video of (alleged) Inferno gameplay from Duality test server.

Won't mess with ISD so not gonna put the link ... just will mention...

- Never heard before in-station music (= new music?)
- An avatar portrait with a hat (= hats for avatars?)
- "Gender reassignment methodology" skill (Dude!? Shocked )
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3759 - 2012-03-20 14:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.


Doh, for a second, that vid sent a chill down my spine... so much potential, so much wasted... Sad


Potential for what exactly? Night at the Roxbury in space?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Avila Cracko
#3760 - 2012-03-20 15:55:10 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker.

If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai.



ROFL

This is epic. Lol

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.