EVE General Discussion

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Do not want.

FiS has just about run out of areas to expand on for new game content. The Final Frontier is WiS and the last stop will be combining FiS and WiS. This game is evolving and needs to expand. Eve is changing and you'll either have to adapt or go jump into a Bio-Vat.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I love FiS and I welcome WiS into the game. But I'd rather have CCP fix and finish all existing game content first before working on any new content, even if it takes CCP a few years to do it. The funny thing is just by doing that it'll seem like new content has been added.

Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom.

I hope they are paying attention to this thread and realizing that it's your post and 19 pages of you getting trolled.

Im guessing you chose that one because you couldnt take posts like





Where I as talking from a less pissed off stance and bend it to what you want me to look like on these forums. No, you go back and find the most damaging post you can to make me look bad. Good job. You found a post where I was angry. You feel better now? Nice and self rightous? Forbid I ever be human and get heated about a topic I give a **** about.

Im guessing yer one of those that if we're unhappy, we should "just unsub and more on" types like I was at the start of this thread. Yeah well that already happened once, and if that keeps up we're both out something here.
WiS isnt the future of the game lol its a side game. A mini game that ppl who get bored of flying spaceships can use to go do something else.
What precisely are you thinking is gonna happen when they get back to developing WiS thats gonna make it "the future of EVE"?
That somehow flying in spaceships is going to be eclipsed by this grand vision of playing poker and watching strippers?

I want WiS and to be honest I'd be perfectly happy for FiS to sit on the shelf while they deliver it.

Im not asking them to continue to work on a side project that damaged their company. YOURE basically telling them that after they took a 20% hit to the company they should "walk it off" and keep going.

WiS was tied to WoD. Thats pretty obvious when you look at the fact that they both got "back burner"ed together.

The obvious difference between what Im saying and what youre telling them is IM not asking them to work on "features" Id like, Im asking them to work on what was the entire game up until the failed launch of the one room.




That guy, who would rather they put off FiS to get WiS going, yes.
Hell even CCP sees this. They said as much in the announcement that the 20% would get fired.

ID like to have a game AND have WiS.
NOT let CCP go to **** to get WiS out ASAP

Go back a few pages, read my thread about how they need to heal, the other guy just a page or two back.
LET THE COMPANY HEAL - then... when they have a firm footing again, THEN they can work on more than one thing.

It's natural to respond positively to visionary concepts the likes of Incarna (hence the wide acceptance) - but when push comes to a shove, Incarna matters very little.
You cannot have a cake and eat it too.

I'm generally positive to it's potential, but on the flip-side, I don't really care if it never gets implemented - much less post a forum thread begging for support as per OP.
I do care however, when the core EVE gameplay gets neglected and the work quality from CCP gets reduced to shoddy undertakings (which there are plenty of examples, you don't even have to think about it).

Retrospectively, I'm half wondering if the inception of Incarna (years back) had a solid and pragmatic approach on how the feature will mesh into the core gameplay and what sort of metrics (if any) will be used to justify the cost of the engine development and any other related expenses. Everything up until now has shown that the spark for this idea has more to do with "just because it's cool to do" than any real substance. You cannot evolve the core EVE gameplay on fluffy ideas - it takes an enormous amount of work (that shouldn't be underestimated). The interesting thing is, the few EVE founders would have been be more than familiar with such undertakings. Where they tripped up would be an interesting discussion.

Back then, I vaguely remember one of the reasons they put forward in favor of Incarna was that it'll provide a platform that will encourage more girls/women audience or subcribers. Sure, I'd have no qualms with that (being aware of the female mind preferences), but I'd be asking how would this pan out in the long-term, in terms of sustainability. It does not make sense to spend 50million to make an extra 2 million in yearly revenue, including needing to increase operational cost by 1-2mil to support such a feature (in arbitrary numbers of course). There is little profit. Hell, this is even ingrained in the EVE's science & industry mechanics, which should be familiar to most players.

That reminds me, Incarna looks very similar to the Elemental : War of Magic fiasco from Stardock.

Custom engine that works rather poorly - Check
Bland gameplay & gamedesign - Check
Incomplete - Check
Layoffs - Check

Imo, CCP will need to re-examine the feasibility of elevating WiS into one of the core pillars of EVE and sustainably maintaining it from the EVE revenue stream.
Currently, it's looking like a white elephant.

CCP. For **** sake, release a dev blog clarifying the future of Incarna. Players are confused about the uncertainty that Hilmars comments have created.

First he says that it's an integral part of EVE's future. Then he says 'we may get back to it'. Can we just have a straight ******* answer?

Give me a central hub where I can walk around with other pilots docked in the station, a corp meeting hall where corp mates can get together for a meeting with maps on the screen we choose, and maybe some gambling games in the common area, and that just might be enough to have me disable ship spinning. Until such a time, it's perma-disabled.

Hell yeah, I want WIS! I've said this multiple times already, but it's THE expansion I've been waiting for ever since I started playing over 3 years ago.

I can see why they postponed it, but it saddens me as it's yet another promise not delivered.
I think it's not unreasonable to at least publish a devblog to let us know if they will deliver Incarna and if yes, a "when" that won't be broken this time. Leaving those like me in uncertainty with mentioning in an interview somewhere that "we might pick it up at some point later down the line" is just not nice, and does not score points for communication either.

If CCP is really clueless about what to do with WIS/how to make it fun, then I'm surprised. I saw little wrong with the vision they had for it. It contained: Bars, minigames and gambling, conference rooms, war rooms, programmable NPC's, and probably some stuff I can't remember right now, but I loved it all, and I would still love it all.

The only things I didn't like was sadly the stuff CCP put into CQ: the NEX prices, and the fact that entering CQ was mandatory.