EVE General Discussion

Notwithstanding your white-knighting, I don't need to, I've never made any claims to the contrary. I've simply asked for supporting evidence for the claims made by DeMichael Crimson. This would refer to the "MAJORITY of players want WIS" assertion he keeps spouting as fact in this and other threads.

Common fallacy: proving non-existence : when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.


As I already explained to him, it would be a very good idea if he did not want to be called-out for making stuff up, he should perhaps pose his statements as opinions in the future to avoid being asked these pesky questions that serve to illustrate he simply makes stuff up to suit his agenda.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2#59 post #58
GTFO DMC you desperate worthless lisping troll that post is from 2006,
and the "optional" part about incarna didn't really work out so well did it?

Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again.

I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing).

Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind.

As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)

Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.

Guess you failed to read the devblog on WiS.

DEV blogs are science fiction. I'll believe it when I see a Roadmap or the Product Backlog - alternatively the patch notes.

And where is your evidence that "MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS?
Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor.

I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy.

Fine, first of all, if you are talking about me it is "she". And I'll end this once and for all.

I "BELIEVE" as do many others that the majority of Eve players would like ambulation in some form.

You can't refute what I believe so now please go away, you haven't contributed anything useful to the dialog here.

Issler

I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid.

Firstly because it is obvious that there is support for WiS. Not only within this thread, but in the fanfest videos talking about WiS that shows the audience was in favour of it.

Secondly. Look at incursions. You could argue that before this feature was implemented that there was not support for it (in fact, the CSM was unconvinced that it would be a success), but look how popular it has become.