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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2481 - 2012-01-12 19:30:01 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink

Thanks Guard, that is at least something. Now we know a bit better were WiS stands and what we can expect. I hope you read this thread, even a bit, because it gives a good overview of expectations and constructive criticism regarding its implementation (if you ignore the many troll posts).


@trolls: Looks like you didn't "won" as you stated Blink, too bad...
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2482 - 2012-01-12 19:30:29 UTC
/me tries his hand at tl;dr CCP Guard's message...

We have some left-over stuff we're releasing soon (tm).

Everything we mentioned in the past is scrapped.

While someone works on WIS, there is no time frame, much less further information.

P
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#2483 - 2012-01-12 20:19:45 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


So much appreciated!

Good to know that you're wiping the Incarna/NeX fail way and moving to a new direction, maybe something more like what we saw in that Fanfest about WiS.

We don't care how much development time it will take as long as it's well made (finished, of course) and without facestabbing people who actually pays for EVE Online.

Again, thanks for the answer. Was that difficult until now? P
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2484 - 2012-01-12 20:26:15 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


Thanks Guard

That is all we wanted to hear from the get go.

If in the coming months leading up to the materialization of said goodies, you could give us a conceptual time line of things to come and when we might expect to see or hear more about those things, then I will have your children.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2485 - 2012-01-12 22:02:03 UTC
Here is what I consider CCP should be aiming to deliver in the next 12 months for Incarna
- The mentioned decorative items
- Customisable CQ
- Item interactions and emotes
- The ability to invite another player into your CQ

That at least would be a good indication that work continues in the proper direction.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2486 - 2012-01-12 22:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


TL;DR version...

WIS/incarna will not be expanded on with any meaningfull content any time soon. We may turn it in to what you want it to be and we may not (such is the nature of development) but just incase, keep subscribing because we need your money.

End

That about some it up? Blink

My advice to everyone is to forget about WIS and ignore any future plans/promises CCP make because we could be waiting another 4 years for that door to open. Just judge the game on what's on the server.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Ai Shun
#2487 - 2012-01-12 22:57:06 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
That is all we wanted to hear from the get go.


I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from "On ice for a bit" to "We don't have a concrete timeline" to "We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline".

****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that.

Just roll over and have his children already.

Flamespar
WarRavens
#2488 - 2012-01-13 00:54:41 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
That is all we wanted to hear from the get go.


I fail to see how this is really that much different to what CCP Guard said before. Or from what Hilmar said before! It's gone from "On ice for a bit" to "We don't have a concrete timeline" to "We may release something that is almost finished, but we don't have a concrete timeline".

****, but you people have problems if something that has been said before placates you like that.

Just roll over and have his children already.



Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.

Your trolling needs work.
Ai Shun
#2489 - 2012-01-13 01:08:05 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.


I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2490 - 2012-01-13 01:10:46 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.


I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.


And yet here you are. 'Jerking' it with the rest of us.

Keep trying.
Ai Shun
#2491 - 2012-01-13 01:20:09 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Obviously you haven't been keeping track of things that well then.


I've been following the direct dev / CCP communications. They are of more interest than a 125 page circle-jerk of dissatisfied, semi-emo capsuleers.


And yet here you are. 'Jerking' it with the rest of us.

Keep trying.


Your trolling skills are about as poor as your reading skills. Still. I'll give you a -1/10 for effort, how's that?
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2492 - 2012-01-13 01:29:30 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

Your trolling skills are about as poor as your reading skills. Still. I'll give you a -1/10 for effort, how's that?


Still needs work since you cannot divide a positive number by a negative number. 0/10 would have been sufficient. Or a 'F', or even a frowny face.

Alternatively, you could post a video of you spinning your ship in a blind rage. Or a video of you spinning in your chair, in real life, yelling loudly about how much fun you're having.
Ai Shun
#2493 - 2012-01-13 01:31:22 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Alternatively, you could post a video of you spinning your ship in a blind rage. Or a video of you spinning in your chair, in real life, yelling loudly about how much fun you're having.


Why would I do that? In case you've missed it, I'm a fan of WiS, because it builds on the concept of an EVE Universe. (Like Dust, a potential RTS style addition to PI / Dust, etc.)

You must have me confused with somebody else?

It's okay though. Your replies in this thread haven't given me much confidence in your cognitive skills.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2494 - 2012-01-13 01:34:42 UTC
Lol. Fair enough, you win.
Ai Shun
#2495 - 2012-01-13 01:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Flamespar wrote:
Lol. Fair enough, you win.


No, no. You win. Really.

Edit:
Honestly, my earlier reply was just amazement at how quickly some of the vehement supporters backed off when CCP made a statement that was very similar to their previous communications. What happened to the fortitude of pushing through for a change that is wanted? Getting firm dates and details? Those sorts of things.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2496 - 2012-01-13 02:32:30 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Lol. Fair enough, you win.


No, no. You win. Really.

Edit:
Honestly, my earlier reply was just amazement at how quickly some of the vehement supporters backed off when CCP made a statement that was very similar to their previous communications. What happened to the fortitude of pushing through for a change that is wanted? Getting firm dates and details? Those sorts of things.


its better ,then we don,t know nothing

CCP Guard wrote:
To add a little to what I wrote yesterday.

I spoke with some people today and have some more clarity on this (althought not a ton more). It's likely that there will continue to be "some work" done on this front in the short term, while we iron out the long term plans. There are some assets nearly finished anyway and they will probably make their way on TQ in the months to come, things of the visual nature (WiSual? Lol?), decorative things that can be finalized with relatively light effort while we put most of our weight on the other foot. But I think we might still be able to put out some stuff that you guys will enjoy.

The vision for 3d characters as part of the complete sci fi simulator isn´t dead, it's just going to be done differently than the way we were doing it before last summer happened, and it's probably going to take some time to materialize fully (no, I don't know how much time, sorry)

Sorry for being vague. I'm trying to tell you something, mostly that WiS is not completely on ice and forgotten, without making you think I'm promising any particular things that you might be thinking of, that might not be coming. Not in the short term at least.

If I had to write a tl;dr for this, it would probably be...nope, you know what...I'll let you guys write the tl;dr for me Blink


highlighted some parts ,why it is more then "we know nothing,no info"
sure ,we have to wait and see ,what CCP is gonna do, but its enough for me for now

R.S.I2014
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2497 - 2012-01-13 03:02:59 UTC
CCP Guard's response is still pretty vague (not his fault). Something may happen with WiS, something may not. Who knows? Who cares?

I can't speak for others, but I'm over the uncertainty and evasiveness from CCP, which is why I'm going to go play Perpetuum for a while. I really can't be ****** trying to get a straight answer from CCP. Or ask the CSM for support (which was done too, and they didn't bother discussing our concerns at the summit).

Like others I got seduced by the lies CCP told about WiS, which kept me playing for years after I got bored, as I was looking forward to the vision they promised. Yeah I know, stupid me.

What would it take to bring me back? CCP commiting to include something in the next expansion to show that they haven't abandoned WiS. Even something minor will do. Allow players to invite others over to their CQ so we can at least see that multi player environments are actually even possible in EVE. I don't know. CCP you need to show some respect for those players who brought into your dream of a full featured sci fi sim and supported you over the years.

Throw us a fricken bone CCP. One with meat on it this time.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2498 - 2012-01-13 04:55:45 UTC
That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.

Change takes time and within time that change will happen. It has taken Eve years to evolve into the current game play options and it'll take a few more years for it to evolve into the next stage of game play options. Right now CCP is trying to recover and stand back up after being knocked down by the disastrous events that happened last year.

I for one will continue to fight the good fight by staying subbed and actively voicing my support for development of WiS game play options. I encourage and implore other players who share the same vision to please do the same.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2499 - 2012-01-13 05:02:33 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.


Lol. Usually I'm the one to overstate my importance.

I'm just one player, though if the rest of you want to follow me to the promised lands of Perpetuum, I'm ok with that. (checks NeX store for Jesus robes) Lol
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2500 - 2012-01-13 08:03:23 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
That's not the right attitude to have at this time. The last thing this game needs is to have another mass exodus of players. We need to continue showing our support for development of WiS game play content. This is best done with patience, staying subbed and continuing to voice our expectations and dreams for future WiS game play content while allowing CCP time to fully develop it without being rushed.

Change takes time and within time that change will happen. It has taken Eve years to evolve into the current game play options and it'll take a few more years for it to evolve into the next stage of game play options. Right now CCP is trying to recover and stand back up after being knocked down by the disastrous events that happened last year.

I for one will continue to fight the good fight by staying subbed and actively voicing my support for development of WiS game play options. I encourage and implore other players who share the same vision to please do the same.


I do have a silly prejudice against paying for not playing... Lol

Seriously, for the last two months i've been shifting skillqueues and redoing my avatars, hoping for something worth grinding for (NEx store?), or maybe a hint that i'll be getting new gameplay anytime (something for casual soloers, mostly). Fixing whatever nullsec whiners whine about is not really worth a subscription; i will not pay so others have their fun while i am stuck with pretty muh the same content that interested me for three years but not any longer.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you