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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2381 - 2012-01-10 11:28:40 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:

naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features
we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention
and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,


You didn't stage anything, you just took the opportunity to attention whore on the forums after CCP failed. Not judging, that's what goons do, many people are like that IRL. They just crave attention.

When WiS is released I'd like the join the Amarrian SS as an operative and infiltrate Rens in order to acquire information on the Minmattar underground railroad. Uh oh, I'm Caldari, I take this information back to my commander first and receive a small stipend of Achurian Opium under the table before heading off to the nearest Gallentean pleasure hub, unfortunately forgetting about my original mission. I see a runaway slave, I forget where I am and I try to capture him, I spend the rest of the night in jail.

Not exactly frivolous social features.
Taiwanistan
#2382 - 2012-01-10 11:30:44 UTC
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features
we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention
and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,


You didn't stage anything, you just took the opportunity to attention ***** on the forums after CCP failed. Not judging, that's what goons do, many people are like that IRL. They just crave attention.

When WiS is released I'd like the join the Amarrian SS as an operative and infiltrate Rens in order to acquire information on the Minmattar underground railroad. Uh oh, I'm Caldari, I take this information back to my commander first and receive a small stipend of Achurian Opium under the table before heading off to the nearest Gallentean pleasure hub, unfortunately forgetting about my original mission. I see a runaway slave, I forget where I am and I try to capture him, I spend the rest of the night in jail.

Not exactly frivolous social features.

i think i've seen that movie before

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2383 - 2012-01-10 11:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Alpheias wrote:
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


yadda yadda



But now, try seeing WiS through the eyes of skeptics or even better, try seeing through the eyes of everyone at CCP. A company that just recently had to cut its workforce by 20% because they tried to push the envelope for 18 months and satisfy those that wanted avatars in EVE.

And I ask; why do you want to kill EVE so badly?


How did Incarna push the envelope? The only thing it pushed were graphics cards to their breaking point.

WiS didn't fail because it never came out. CCP failed because they pushed, the pretty but ultimately useless Incarna/Nex store on the players.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2384 - 2012-01-10 11:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Taiwanistan wrote:

naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features
we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention
and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,


In that example your friend is not happy with his life so advising him to stay the same would be the wrong thing to do IMO... I would help him look at his strengths, encourage him improve on those but also suggest new things he could do to overcome his weaknesses.

I think if we don't encourage CCP to think outside the box and try new things, then their staffs creative talents will go to waste and the game will grow stagnant.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Taiwanistan
#2385 - 2012-01-10 12:24:22 UTC
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good
but he is still a long ways from getting back on track

but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to
and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2386 - 2012-01-10 12:36:53 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good
but he is still a long ways from getting back on track

but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to
and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again


Want a hit?

First ones free...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2387 - 2012-01-10 12:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Taiwanistan wrote:
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good
but he is still a long ways from getting back on track

but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to
and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again


That's all based on your sense of morality... Who are you to say what this friend should or shouldn't do?!

Don't kid your self into thinking you have shown CCP the light and they now realise you are right...

They ignored our requests for improvements (FW, bounty system, etc) for years and now because their vision utterly failed, they have given use ships that were designed by players and made improvements that were also suggested by players.

The fact is, the existing FIS stuff should be continually improved anyway but we should get new stuff aswell.

Do you honestly want CCP to do nothing but polish the game?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Taiwanistan
#2388 - 2012-01-10 13:47:13 UTC
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2389 - 2012-01-10 14:01:10 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".


The wishlist is pretty much complete...
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2390 - 2012-01-10 14:07:14 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good
but he is still a long ways from getting back on track

but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to
and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again


Junkie scum friends?


I resent that remark.


'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Taiwanistan
#2391 - 2012-01-10 15:25:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
and then our good fried (ccp) went through with the NA program and is doing quite good
but he is still a long ways from getting back on track

but his junkie scum friends (pro wis) are still calling him hey let's party like we used to
and again we the good friends must step out and stop that. again


Junkie scum friends?


I resent that remark.



ok that was a low blow i acknowledge that

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2392 - 2012-01-10 15:39:09 UTC
Bluestream3 wrote:
Aalam Naar wrote:
Let's all be perfectly honest here about the WiS discussion. It's painfully obvious that the scope of any future FiS content is reaching it's limit. There is not much else CCP can add to this element of the game while keeping EVE from getting stale in a few years time.

I agree, however, that there is fine tuning to be done with existing content. But that's essentially all there is left to do to improve on the 'spaceship' end of this MMO. Period. Simple. Get over it.

The only consideration for long term viability and focus is WiS. The ability for avatars to navigate a comprehensive science fiction themed genre is absolutely CCPs intention. They've already created an amazing new avatar generator, CQ, and other image improvement that flow organically into what the full intention of this game has been envisioned to be.

OP is liked.


I wonder how many times this has been said in history, about many things. Everything that can be invented, has been invented. There's a total world market for about 5 computers. Well there are lots of quotes like it. If you're still playing in 5 years, I'm sure you could look back to this post and have a laugh about how wrong you were.

I do not agree with the sentiment that there is nowhere else to go with FiS. There are I am sure plenty of things they can still do with FiS that nobody has even thought of yet. However...that is no reason to discount WiS.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2393 - 2012-01-10 15:41:54 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".



This is a very good way to put it. WiS is actually creating NEW and FRESH content instead of just expanding on the old content. Again...not saying we shouldn't expand on the old content that is FiS and the core of EvE. But we should not be discouraging new content like WiS that adds more variety and more stuff to do. Even if you don't want to use it...it improves the game...draws in more players to shoot at in FiS...makes more money for CCP which in turn means better stuff all around.

Yes...CCP should keep a focust on fixing what needs fixed in FiS first.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2394 - 2012-01-10 16:11:19 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".


The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game.

The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2395 - 2012-01-10 16:12:20 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


That's because your an idiot.

Don't like it? Tough.

Can I haz your stuff?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Taiwanistan
#2396 - 2012-01-10 16:31:49 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


That's because your an idiot.

Don't like it? Tough.

Can I haz your stuff?

lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Aalam Naar
Doomheim
#2397 - 2012-01-10 16:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalam Naar
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


I believe that was me who said that.

As an aside, I don't believe you provided any ideas to suggest how FiS features are lacking and that new content (regarding FiS) is necessary or required.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2398 - 2012-01-10 17:06:04 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


No, i see WiS as a way to add more variety, drastically different gameplay and a deeper sense of immersion to EVE. I see improvements to FiS content as being something that we should expect and not class as an "expansion".


The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game.

The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS.


I agree with you. However, i don't think CCP would need to redesign the concept, they would just need to go back to their original plans before some idiot decided to try and sell us $70 monolces Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2399 - 2012-01-10 17:30:13 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
you seem dead set on wis as the only avenue of "new stuff"
and everything fis as "polish", and i disagree with that


That's because your an idiot.

Don't like it? Tough.

Can I haz your stuff?

lol go google up some more tired memes you worthless pedo runt


Right back at ya.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Aalam Naar
Doomheim
#2400 - 2012-01-10 17:36:27 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

I do not agree with the sentiment that there is nowhere else to go with FiS. There are I am sure plenty of things they can still do with FiS that nobody has even thought of yet. However...that is no reason to discount WiS.


Fair enough.

I am certainly not against new content of any kind as long as it is content that adds positively to the game.

I do believe, as you've mentioned, that WiS would create 'NEW and FRESH content instead of just expanding on the old'. Ultimately, I believe it will be something that very likely will need to be re-looked at with new focus, interest, and intent.