EVE General Discussion

Thank you for the link. Nova Fox is one of my favourite posters on here, so I know it'll be a good read.



I used to play Project Entropia. It is an interesting game with a phenomenal economy, but it is harder to play well than EVE is. I was not cut out for that level of spreadsheet. However, I liked that enterprise in the game was mostly in the hands of the players. Space station disco? Player run banks? All there. All with tangible values.

I would, in EVE Online, see the NPC functions replaced with players. Let Concord sell banking licenses according to their laws. Let players open insurance shops so they can assuage risk themselves and decide what level of payout they're willing to give.

Basically, I'd like to see the sandbox opened more for players and less for NPCs. It's not a big quibble with the game, but I believe it could add to the depth of player participation we have.

I agree. It's sickening, frankly, the level of immaturity displayed by the anti-WiS crowd.

Now, since the WiS-haters obviously need to be smacked over the head with a rusty iron crowbar to understand the simplest sentence:

We don't want EvE to die, either.

Read that again, and try to keep your brains from melting, okay?

We don't want EvE to die -- but we also don't want EvE to stagnate. We want CCP to innovate. We want them to continue to push the boundaries and bring us something new, instead of just rehashing last year's patches and putting a new coat of rust on the Minmatar ships.

How many balance tweaks and graphical updates can you WiS-haters stand, I wonder? Two? A dozen? Three dozen? Because that's what you're asking for. You're asking CCP to stop being a company that pushes the envelope.

EvE was once revolutionary. Anyone remember passing the 60,000-PCU mark? ((See this link) ) Or how about Guiding Hand Social Club, who spent an entire year infiltrating a corporation before tearing it apart from the inside ((And this one, too) )

That is the true core of EvE Online. Not FiS or WiS, or even spaceships in general, but a universe where literally anything is possible. Explore the sandbox, they said. See what's out there. Find your future among the stars.

And what have we become, after seven years? Nothing more than an unruly, divided camp that doesn't seem to care what EvE could become, given a suitable creative spark -- after all, as long as it stays exactly the same, we're all fine, right?

Right?

We don't want EvE to die.

We do want EvE to evolve.

The problem with the introduction of new tech ships and modules and skills would be that this would make EVE just into another item spiral game. No ideas for new content? Let's just update the old content, let's make the new weapons do 50% more damage and the new defenses absorb 50% more damage. Let's add some new skills to "grind" up to keep them alle playing as long as possible. In the end there is only a new time sink generated, no real new content.

I see a great potential for many features that are already in place to make some interesting variants of the current content. But is there really a lot of new things that can be added to the space gameplay that arn't just variants of what we already have? Of course there are some ideas discussed what can be added and some of them sound really cool. But we all know now from Hilmar that the era of jesus features is over, so there won't be any groundbreaking new features for the core space game and the avatar game alike for some time. They are now starting to iterate content that is already in place, I think this will take a while.

But, and that is the point, even new space game features can take as only to a certain point until they start to just repeat. The avatar gameplay opens up a wide variety of new gameplay possibilities (a lot of ideas are already discussed here) that can keep the game alive.

Just to give an example: Star Wars Galaxies originally startet without space combat, just avatar gameplay. Then they added the expansion "Jump to Lightspeed" and added space combat. Both parts of the game complemented each other fairly nice and future expansion and updates managed to add some content for both parts of the game. SWG also had a lot of socializing going on, with player cities and player owned buildings etc.
It worked well in other games, why do the haters think that it can't work in EVE?

I'm wagering that type of language helps improve the situation immeasurably. When you start a post like that, it puts a very negative tone to the rest of what you write. No matter how compelling it is, now when I read it I think you are over emotional, angry and like to insult people that disagree with you. You're on the same level as your "immature anti-WiS crowd".

That's the palin truth. The signs that FiS is gonna jump the shark (that is, harm its purpose in the struggle to keep customers interested in the same old drill) sooner than later already are there to be seen; spell with me:

"Supercarriers"

A.k.a. the ultimate evidence on how add one more ship can call for disaster.

If EVE is to keep people interested, it must keep adding goals. And being a niche game means that there is not much things to add. I already said in this same thread, that EVE's current audience is very limtied, and the only way to reach mroe audience is to add new content. Nullsec is only gonna keep that many people interested, and IMO it already has peaked and it's all downhill from where it is.

I would love to know for sure how is the lifespan of a EVE suscription; what people do, and how long, until they cancel. My own guess is that people who subscribe, go nullsec, stay for years are easily overcome by people who subscribe, never interest themselves in nullsec, and eventually leave bored and tired because of lack of endgame.

Seriously, how many times can you sell "join EVE, go nullsec, grief for free"? To how many people? And how long can you keep them amused with newer ways to grief other players who used to mind their business?

How many times can you move Lvl5s to gangland? How many times can you tell ice miners to go fu** themselves? How many times can you allow someeone to scam 2,500 $ from another player without consequence? How many times can you deprive smallholders of acces to Customs Offices? How long can the endless griefing last until the only way to keep the game alive is to provide griefing-free content?

Wis is nt jsut a feature. Is that thing nobody is doing yet, and that can become endgame if done properly. An endgame for people who pay to have fun, not to be griefed.

CCP swearing they will keep griefers content for at least one year is not gonna cut through it.

Because social activity in EVE basically is to being in a fleet with your corp (or alliance), being on comms, and blow someone else's sh*t up.

And for record, Star Wars Galaxies is a dead MMO.

Yes, it is dead. But for entirely other reasons than the ones that are discussed here.
Social activity in EVE of course comes down to flying with your corp and alliance and taling on comms. Just because there are no (real) alternatives and gameplay need to do it somewhere else at the moment.


By the way, we are all "space nerds" crying for more spaceships or avatar options who try to "battle" our opposition on an internet forum to "save" or "change" a computer game we are probaly "wasting" more time with than we should. We have just to admit, we are all as nerdy as it can get . Nobody should try to pretend that he is somewhat better. In the eyes of "others" we are all crazy people...

I think they've got the important internet spaceship pew pew go bang bang down pretty well.

But as I've already said, with some polish, reworks, whatever-have-you regarding some of the already long existing fly in space content it's pretty much a sealed envelope really.

There's plenty of stuff to get involved in already. Certainly enough to keep all types of players occupied while flying spacecraft or being immobile in some two dimensional space station.

Hey wait, see what I did there?

Couldn't have said it better myself. Very well put.

As annoying as they are, i feel sorry for the WiS hater as they seem deluded almost like a battered wife... Their husband (CCP) has treated them really badly in the past (Ignoring requests for improvements) but one day he decides to buy her a bunch of cheap flowers from the petrol station (crucible) and now she starts thinking "oh he does really love me after all, I think i'll stay with him" then a couple weeks later he beats here up again (disappointing expansion) and then she's back to square one crying on the bathroom floor (raging on the forums).

Now that resources are not being wasted on world of darkness, i see no reason as to why CCP can't work on WIS and FIS content.

naw dawg i am just against the idea of ccp putting any more resources to enable frivolous social features
we wis haters are more of a good friend and we see our good friend (ccp) starting to develop a drug problem (the quick highs of "being like the rest of the market", stooping to korean practices), resorting to selling his body and soul at the airport bathrooms and we just had staged an intervention
and we tell him, hey man, we love you just the way that you are, don't change on me bro,