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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2241 - 2012-01-07 21:42:23 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????


Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind.

And yes, be a wood elf again.


The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well.

Issler



DO IT!!! PLEASE GBTW!!

That would teach mean ol' CCP that you mean serious business.

Wait, weren't you threatening to alert the media too? What happened to that?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2242 - 2012-01-07 23:21:51 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

I see we've arrived at the empty threat portion of the negotiation.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2243 - 2012-01-07 23:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
This has been something they have been promising for years, and have been claiming to have put a lot of resources into it. It's reasonable to see people pissed off that they are not getting what they waited for.

The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.

That kind of vague bullshit is a good corporate tactic because it keeps community managers from stuffing their own foot up their mouth when they say some dumb **** they weren't supposed to by accident. It doesn't help the community at all though.

To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2244 - 2012-01-08 00:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Kuronaga wrote:

To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.


EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.

Sound familiar?

You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.


Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2245 - 2012-01-08 00:50:08 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
This has been something they have been promising for years, and have been claiming to have put a lot of resources into it. It's reasonable to see people pissed off that they are not getting what they waited for.

The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.

That kind of vague bullshit is a good corporate tactic because it keeps community managers from stuffing their own foot up their mouth when they say some dumb **** they weren't supposed to by accident. It doesn't help the community at all though.

To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.


If you really, really want an answer I can give it to you and unlike anything CCP will tell you it could well be the truth.

WIS is on the "backburner" needs explaining and expanding on, backburner implies that something is not a priority, perhaps the opposite of "under development" or "we are working on it". With me so far? OK good.

CCP has long claimed things like FW and other things are "being worked on" and "under development". Observe the work done on FW and the other features and you get a feeling for what CCP mean by "we are working on it". CCP didn't even bother to turn up to the FW feature at fanfest.

Now if "being on the back burner" is indeed the antithesis of "we are working on it" that would be a very good indicator of how much effort they are putting into it.

There you go, there is your answer.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2246 - 2012-01-08 01:03:32 UTC
(shouting)

I REALLY WISH I COULD FIND THE DEV RESPONSE WITHOUT FLIPPING THROUGH A 113 PAGE THREADNAUGHT.

Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2247 - 2012-01-08 01:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Doc Fury wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen.


EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.

Sound familiar?

You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.


Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?


I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.

I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.

Jhagiti probably has the right idea on how things are actually going, and honestly thats my overall impression right now. It's a fairly negative impression, and it could be mended somewhat with some actual open honesty from CCP, even if it was just reinforcing that belief. I'm not some crybaby and im probably not going to ragequit if they dont fully implement WiS, but I'm also not going to continue to support a devteam that is choking on their foot the majority of the time.

Translucence. Try that as a buzzword for a month and see how your fanbase appreciates it, CCP.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2248 - 2012-01-08 01:49:03 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
The reason they want a clarified response isn't because CCP didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. It's because CCP gives vague, bullshit responses that do not give a clear indication as to their intent. "On the backburner" could mean that it's slowly getting dev time, so we can look forward to it in another five years. Or it could mean it's getting zero dev time and it's on freeze indefinitely, possibly never to see the light of day again. It could mean it's just up for review, and in an expansion or two when they get a better plan itl be full throttle again.


There is no upside for CCP giving any more specific information. The space barbie fetishists are crazy people and won't accept the info that has already been given and if they sent any other devs in here they would just be abused by people who are demanding that CCP take actions that they know will be harmful to the future of their game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2249 - 2012-01-08 01:50:14 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
[quote=Doc Fury][quote=Kuronaga]
When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught,

Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. Also 100 pages isn't a threadnaught.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2250 - 2012-01-08 01:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Kuronaga wrote:

I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.

I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.



So, when you say "fanbase", you are referring to the handful of people posting over and over again in this thread demanding answers? The relevant thread in the CSM area and the "what 3 things do you want to see in the next expansion thread" is more representative of the actual WIS "fanbase".

Also, a threadnaught occurs within days and not over 2.5 months, and involves a majority of like minded players. In this thread, we have 100 pages where the majority of the posters are telling the pro-WIS people to step off, and the few who have a reasonable agenda are pitching "do this" feature ideas in the wrong forum area.

Again, my tiny violin, let me play it for you. If you and others are that pissed off, why are you all still paying and posting here when you already know CCP is not going to concede to what might at best work out to be less than half a percent of the players?

I wanted the FIS content I was paying for that CCP had built up and promised for the last 4+ years in their TV ads, trailers and marketing materials, but instead we got half baked expansions because their efforts were divided elsewhere. Ultimately all they could show us for all that WASTED Dev time, cash and effort was a closet with a door we could not open and a new graphics engine designed primarily for their now-defunct emo vampire MMO and whatever other "games" they wanted to gamble on making.

CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY.

I've never seen a TV commercial promoting WIS content. Have you?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2251 - 2012-01-08 02:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Doc Fury wrote:
CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY.

The truth is that they aren't oblivious. They know that CCP has finally started focusing on actual Eve content and they are upset about it.

It boggles the mind.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Taiwanistan
#2252 - 2012-01-08 03:00:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to.

Do I have to be a wood elf bard again??????


Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind.

And yes, be a wood elf again.


The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well.

Issler

hey don't do this, please....
last time some moron got his own thread locked because he was advocating unsubbing, it was that party pooper cipher jones, who told ppl to unsub for a month when hulkageddon begins

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2253 - 2012-01-08 03:01:31 UTC
What boogles the mind; is the length of this thread.
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svetlana
Constellation Guard
#2254 - 2012-01-08 04:47:25 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. ...


It may just be how one interprets the responses in here, but from how I perceive it, it seems more like half the posts are PRO WiS, in that half the players/scratch/forumWarriors want it turned into something "fun or rewarding to do" but not the unfinished version of what it is right now.

"I really want WiS to be turned into something amazing, but it doesn't really do anything yet, which is very disappointing to most players." <-- I'd call that a pro WiS statement, but against what it is now.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2255 - 2012-01-08 05:14:12 UTC
svetlana wrote:
it seems more like half the posts are PRO WiS

Then either you haven't actually read the entire thread or you're just lying to make the space barbie fetishists look better.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#2256 - 2012-01-08 05:15:40 UTC
why.............
wont...............
this.................
thread.............
die.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2257 - 2012-01-08 05:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.


Doc Fury wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago.

I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game.



So, when you say "fanbase", you are referring to the handful of people posting over and over again in this thread demanding answers? The relevant thread in the CSM area and the "what 3 things do you want to see in the next expansion thread" is more representative of the actual WIS "fanbase".

Also, a threadnaught occurs within days and not over 2.5 months, and involves a majority of like minded players. In this thread, we have 100 pages where the majority of the posters are telling the pro-WIS people to step off, and the few who have a reasonable agenda are pitching "do this" feature ideas in the wrong forum area.

Again, my tiny violin, let me play it for you. If you and others are that pissed off, why are you all still paying and posting here when you already know CCP is not going to concede to what might at best work out to be less than half a percent of the players?

I wanted the FIS content I was paying for that CCP had built up and promised for the last 4+ years in their TV ads, trailers and marketing materials, but instead we got half baked expansions because their efforts were divided elsewhere. Ultimately all they could show us for all that WASTED Dev time, cash and effort was a closet with a door we could not open and a new graphics engine designed primarily for their now-defunct emo vampire MMO and whatever other "games" they wanted to gamble on making.

CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY.

I've never seen a TV commercial promoting WIS content. Have you?


Normally when you advertise something specific, and it works, you keep doing it.

Empyrean age was how long ago?

Hmm. I guess it didn't work.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2258 - 2012-01-08 05:20:47 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2259 - 2012-01-08 05:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.


Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap?

I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content.
Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#2260 - 2012-01-08 05:24:33 UTC
IF CCP could support both FIS and WIS then I would be ok. But they have proven that they are clearly incapable of doing so.

Thus the only sane conclusion is

Bye bye WIS and good riddance.