EVE General Discussion

You gave some nice input, thank you for that, but... what the hell is wrong with you?

Why is it "social faggotry", please explain that a little bit further. Why are people who like those things "frivolous"? And why is "EVE [...] better than that"? Do you think the core concept of spaceship gameplay is vastly superior to other forms of gameplay? If so, why are other forms of gameplay bad and why is it a bad idea to expand EVE with other forms of gameplay? What are the cons in your opinion?
Instead to just post insults why not try to argument and go a bit further into details than to insult other people? You have already shown that by our constant pressure you actually can put some coherent ideas together. Why do you just start to troll again? Do you have some kind of reputation to loose that is undermined by posting useful things?

WiS would need:



In short, if I lead the WiS; you Vets would love it and the n00bs would cry as you space them (yes, you could space people in my WiS)

*Basically, in sub-0.5 stations owned by players you'd "hire" Private Military (NPCs) to protect your station and other players that visit.

I should note that my goal has always been to design a world in which the player must, because he wants to, ask himself / herself if they want to log out; more often than not the desire to stay in wins.

Here's an idea I have for WiS station interior layout. The door in the Captains Quarters would open to an elevator that gives access to 4 other levels inside the station.

Station Elevator Buttons: 5

Button 1 = Captains Quarters
This takes you to your own personal Captains Quarters. This area is where you access the Docking Bay and conduct all operations pertaining to your ship and personal cargo. This is where you change your clothes and your appearance such as hair, make-up, etc. This area could be customized by adding 'Collectible Items' such as 'Head in a Jar', various interactive Holoreel's and Books, Medals, etc. Could also add some sort of 'Pet' such as Fish Tank, Dog, Cat, Bird, etc.

This is the main spawn location (1of 3) within the station for your character. When logging into the game, your character is lying on the bed asleep, wakes up and gets ready for action. When logging out of the game while in your Captains Quarters, your character lays down on the bed and goes to sleep. If you get disconnected while in WiS mode, this is the usual spawn location for your character.

Button 2 = Promenade Deck
This is the top area of the station consisting of 1 large split level room. It would have large viewing ports that showcase the Nebula's as well as showing any ships outside the station. Here you can check if you're being station camped. In the center (Lower level) of this area would be a Concord Sanctioned PvP Arena for doing FPS 1v1 and small team matches along with Bookie's available to place bet's on these Arena fights.

These Arena fights could be worked sorta like the Alliance Tournaments. Would have both 1v1 and Team battles. Could split it up into scheduled stages at various stations starting with Constellation Tryouts, Regional Preliminary's, Factional Qualifying and ending with Inter-Factional Competitions. This is just a basic overview providing a starting point of the idea which can be expanded on later.

Button 3 = Command Deck
This area would contain various private Conference Rooms for Corporate meetings. These Conference Rooms are reserved for and can only be accessed by Corporations renting an Office in that specific station. This area would also include a few different War Room's with access to Planetary, System, Constellation and Regional 3D maps for SOV Warfare and interacting with DUST 514. There would also be a Station Command Center (usually off-limits) and a Medical Bay.

The Medical Bay is the 2nd spawn location for your character within the station. Either when using Jump Clones or when waking up in your Medical Clone after being killed.

Button 4 = Retail Deck
This area contains various player run Custom Shops, Bars, Casinos, etc. This is also where the stations Security Office with holding cells (Brig) is located. Get drunk, punch someone in the face and you'll spend at least a couple of hours in the Brig along with paying a fine. Maybe even have personal security status dictate the amount of ISK needed to post bail (Get out of Jail card). Maybe even have special Bounty Agents here?

The Security Office is the 3rd spawn location for your character within the station. Logging in and out would be like in the Captains Quarters, having your character lying on the bunk in the cell.

Button 5 = Storage Deck
This is the bottom area of the station that contains various storage compartments and small dimly lit rooms equipped with a cot, small table and a couple of chairs for black market deals. This is where you can acquire and trade Contraband items. This area would also have special agents hidden away in various locations. Maybe some of those Agents have missions classified as Contraband Retrieval.

Maybe have this area tough to navigate which could cause the player to become lost? Make a wrong turn along the way and find yourself stumbling around in the shadows for hours. Probably should have bought that 'Basement Map' from the NPC Sleaze Bag hanging round at the entrance to the 'Retail Deck'.

Anyway, Skills would pertain to all activity's. If someone who isn't skilled tries to smuggle contraband down to the lower area of the station, there's a random chance of them getting caught, Contraband confiscated, finding themselves in the Brig having to pay an ISK fine. Or if engaged in Arena fights, the level of Logistic skills trained and Medic equipment fitted could mean the difference between life and death, er um, I meant winning and losing.

These are all basic ideas that can be expanded on. I wasn't sure about the interaction with regular Agents. Probably have those Agents located on the Command Deck.

I've already mentioned these ideas in this thread. I've added a bit more thought on these scenarios that combine PvP and PvE with FiS and WiS.

DUST514 Interaction

While in your ship or in station, your personal communicator (Aura?) activates an alarm informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on one of your planets. You contact the Dust 514 Commander and inform him to meet you in the War Room to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the War Room are 3-D visual maps. You both access the Planetary Map, check the PI facility's and surrounding area. You both verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team which is waiting at the 1st drop zone on the planet.

You travel to the planet with the supplies loaded in your ship, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy player ships. You make a call to your Corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the DUST ground forces engage each other.

As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy player ships when more enemy player ships warp in and you find yourself locked and tackled. Dust Commander informs you his team is boxed in and needs those supplies now.

Station Lockdown

You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion force (Sansha and or Mercs). You and other players trapped inside the station must Hack into various Medical and Security Lockers for weapons, munitions and 1st Aid equipment. Players then go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all NPC invaders encountered, Salvaging their corpses for more weapons, munitions, body armor, etc..

Players must make their way to the Station Command Center and deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing players access to the docking bay. Only problem is that all other station areas must be cleared first before accessing the Command Deck. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and medical support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?

This could implement some new skills being seeded into the game, such as Medic and Commando skills. Maybe even have another skill added to the Leadership group like - Infiltration - ability to lead a small team of Commando's and infiltrate a station that's under 'Security Lockdown'.

Anyway, I was thinking there could also be some special Radar and Mag sites based on the 'Station Lockdown' scenario. Could just be 1or 2 decks with various rooms filled with broken equipment scattered around that can be Hacked and Salvaged. Of course there would also be NPC FPS inside.

Low sec and 0.0 space would allow PvP FPS inside so best to have some fleet mates along.

I'm sure it'll be quite a while before we see anything like that in-game. However, hopefully it does happen eventually. Then we can all truly say - 'Eve Is Real'.

At your service.

Holy ****! Did you guys turn him into Pro WiS while I was away?!

For the record the biggest reason I have wanted WiS was for the ideas presented at fanfest last year for bounty hunting and drug running.

qft.

One of the first things they could do imo would be to incorperate WiS into missions.

What I mean is, do your normal FiS mission with a station or ship at the end that
needs to be boarded and the rest of the mission is then completed "on foot". This
way we could get out of our CQ's and expand the feel of the whole EVE experience
and we wouldn't have to worry about the large crowds, buying some time to get the
tech tweaked, while at the same time giving us a little more room to move.

I personaly don't have a problem with them releasing bits of content over time and
slowly expanding where we can walk and what we can do i a WiS capacity. All the
FiS content wasn't added on day one and I don't really want to wait a couple more
years for ALL of WiS to get launched at once.

The sooner we see some more WiS content the better, even if it's baby steps. FiS
improvements seem to be moving along and I doubt they will back off that for while
nor should they ever, but if we get to Dust514 without some more WiS to tie into it,
that will be a huge tragedy imo.

That's the thing.

No one really knows how far along they are in WiS development. I think a lot of people take it for granted that they are "nowhere" because they only released a couple of CQ's and the 'door'. My bet is they have the framework in place (obviously), and were in the stage of tinkering with features and seeing how the playerbase was going to handle it.

Well, we know the end to that story.

It's a well known fact that CCP has been using World of Darkness resources and manpower to tinker on EVE, and not just WiS, but FiS too. There is plenty of maneuver room here, imho.

I don't think many would argue against 1 or 2 WiS goodies per expansion, have it as a secondary or tertiary feature under the shadow of FiS "war" stuff. They can start by releasing the full NeX store, as in the stuff on the market that nobody can use. Better yet, decommission the NeX and dump it into the player market. (Leave the NeX on actually, but only leave the monocle so the world doesn't drown in troll-tears.)

Make better use of the big-screen. There would be little to no development resources going into this. You're essentially putting videos in a folder and letting it play. Right now, it just flashes stuff that is 99% irrelevant to stuff I'm interested in, hence why I replace the CONCORD movie file with a Family Guy episode.

There is plenty of stuff they could be doing that wouldn't be cutting into FiS development, instead of giving off the impression that they've abandoned WiS completely, and wasted all these years hyping and creating it for nothing. Basically all I'm saying is, a little thing here and there, and a decent "feature" per-expansion would be a good start.

don,t care how the thread started,i like the way its going now