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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2041 - 2012-01-03 00:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Well i am giving up
a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.

Issler good luck with this thread

Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy

I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game


CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW


cya all later

R.S.I2014

Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2042 - 2012-01-03 01:07:59 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Well i am giving up
a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.

Issler good luck with this thread

Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy

I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game


CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW


cya all later

That's not the spirit at all. You have to fight for WiS. If you don't, who will? CCP won't care if nobody is voicing their opinions.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2043 - 2012-01-03 01:25:35 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy

I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game


I'm very happy. I'm happy that CCP realized the mistake they were making and turned things around before the game completely imploded. Everybody who posts in this thread should be happy because if CCP had continued to focus on space barbie crap we might not still have an awesome internet spaceship game to play anymore.

Also, for the record there are lots of things I wish for in the game. The difference is that the tings I wish for wouldn't kill the game if CCP spent time working on them.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Taiwanistan
#2044 - 2012-01-03 02:02:21 UTC
Dr Grey wrote:
Still waiting on that mirror for my SC

And Shoes ....... more quality shoes


HAI NCDOT

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#2045 - 2012-01-03 03:22:23 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Well i am giving up
a lot is said in this thread some good and some bad things.

Issler good luck with this thread

Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy

I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game


CCP JUST DON,T CARE,BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING NEW


cya all later


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Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2046 - 2012-01-03 04:13:43 UTC
It's relatively common in these forums-and EVE for that matter-for the few to ruin it for the many; simply because they just don't stop pushing, biting, kicking, and screaming until they've had their way or thoroughly squashed any attempts at resistance.

Consider the events of last year and how a few 1000, changed the future of the game for a few hundred thousand. Whether all those would disagree or not is irrelevent; haters gonna hate.

I've been in more than a few threads these past few days where the majority count of posts are between 2-3 people; completely derailing any discussion, and resulting in people bypassing the threads due to either inability to see the content/discussion there, or for fear of becoming involved in an escalating forum PvP match.

In one at least, the majority poster went so far as to derail conversation, rundown ideas, and harass the OP with various namecalling, facebiting, and other maniacle activity.

Why should here be any different?
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Taiwanistan
#2047 - 2012-01-03 04:27:49 UTC
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2048 - 2012-01-03 05:00:11 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Alpheias,Taiwanistan,Ladie Harlot the 3 wishaters in this thread ,you won ,be happy

I hope you don,t have something to wish for in this game


I'm very happy. I'm happy that CCP realized the mistake they were making and turned things around before the game completely imploded. Everybody who posts in this thread should be happy because if CCP had continued to focus on space barbie crap we might not still have an awesome internet spaceship game to play anymore.

Also, for the record there are lots of things I wish for in the game. The difference is that the tings I wish for wouldn't kill the game if CCP spent time working on them.


And i am happy that civilized western lifestyle coming to an end. Priorities..
EVE is an game. Being happy that someone else done something regardless of you is good, but pointless.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#2049 - 2012-01-03 05:08:01 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:


think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER


/chuckle
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2050 - 2012-01-03 05:19:05 UTC
Someday, CCP will finish Incarna.

Then I will have a very public "in your face" tirade around the forums for all WiS haters to see.

Then CCP will start working on W0P and take WiS further. And then the FiS tears will feed me for the rest of eternity, keeping me young and full of joy.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2051 - 2012-01-03 05:40:20 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies


I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop?

People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime.

Too blunt?

Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job.

I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there.

It sells.

Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway?

Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX...
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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2052 - 2012-01-03 06:00:31 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime...

I'm sure *that* is the compelling argument that will get CCP to change their minds. :cripes:

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Taiwanistan
#2053 - 2012-01-03 06:14:45 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies


I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop?

People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime.

Too blunt?

Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job.

I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there.

It sells.

Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway?

Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX...

lol you stupid hipster, i am aware of the many well-known purposes of "dressing up" IRL
but why do you want to do it so bad in a computer game

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2054 - 2012-01-03 06:36:15 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on



Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS.


God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried.


Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed.

Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two.


Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level.

And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs.


After reviewing this thread, I and the majority of other players responding to your posted replies have always stooped DOWN to your level. Never once have you tried to view the issue of WiS content with a neutral perspective.

Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting.

You can hope, rant and rave all you want, CCP will not remove WiS. Like it or not, in the future CCP will add more WiS based content into the game..


Taiwanistan wrote:
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies


You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I like the idea of being able to do FPS action available through WiS content which has nothing to do with playing 'Barbie Dress Up'.

I looked at the thread you linked and the majority of the options listed in it are mainly re-balancing and bug fixes. Only a couple of the items listed would incorporate new game content.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2055 - 2012-01-03 07:05:40 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=1
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies


I take it you wear a neckbeard-nothing wrong with that-and haven't combed your hair in 3 days, washed in 7, or changed your sweats in 4; all the while sitting at your PC munching on chips and drinking diet pop?

People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime.

Too blunt?

Seriously: I wear work clothes 18/7; sometimes even sleep in them. That doesn't mean I don't wear clean work clothes or even that I don't make sure that they look good. Heck, I spent a whole pile of money I didn't want to just a month ago, refreshing my wardrobe. Can't look like **** and still have a job.

I don't think WiS has /emote; just random character animations. Regardless, if it did, I'm sure there are plenty-count ~30-40K-players that are interested in that. Doubtful we'd be able to walk the station halls without bumping into groups of them here and there.

It sells.

Heck, it'd be an awful shame if we ever got some variety around here. Speaking of which, I'm sure we'll see quite an influx with the introduction of the Japanese client. I hear they actually invented it. How many players is that anyway?

Maybe we should get rust and dirt covered clothes in NeX...

lol you stupid hipster, i am aware of the many well-known purposes of "dressing up" IRL
but why do you want to do it so bad in a computer game


lmao.. I don't really care honestly. It has very little to do with my current or past gameplay.

I'll use it or not as it comes, but I am interested in further development on WiS, and seeing what they can do there. It's more about the experience for me, but I don't have a problem if other people want it to include features like the NeX business model and cometic underwear if they like. No skin off my nose.

I'd like to see further iterations on FiS come with that though, and certainly features and development there, as well as much needed changes and revamp[s to existing content. Modular POS is a big one for me; though I'm not sure I'll ever be interested in owning one again. Just seeing them in space would be cool.

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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2056 - 2012-01-03 07:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
Taiwanistan wrote:
what discussions are we derailing? it's just a bunch of dudes who want to dress up and /emote each other and don't mention the contraband/smuggling, it is being sold everyday already, a frivolous thing with that needs to be shitcanned

think about it again, A BUNCH OF DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER
so you are god damn right that haters gonna hate,

[Link]
here you can see what "most" people want, can you count the barbies

I was bored and actualy counted them. At the moment there are 21 posters wanting incarna related content of about 142 relevant people posting in that thread. That means we have a support of 14,79% of Incarna/WiS related content for the summer expansion. Assuming that there are about 300.000 accounts that would be about 44.000 people in favor of some WiS love in summer. I have looked at the thread some days ago and this numbers havn't changed much.
No, of course this isn't a majority but I never argued that a majority wants WiS content. But it is a significant number of people. We can safely assume that the number of supporters after those other changes people are asking for are implemented will be higher. We can also very safely assume that a higher number of people are neutral and may lean towards WiS once it is implemented right.

But as you have shown me now you are not interested in those numbers, right? You are just offended by some supposed "dudes" who like to "dress up" virtual avatars and "emoting with each other". I think your attitude towards other peoples interests and preferences should be "shitcanned". Don't you have some witches to burn instead posting nonsense here?

Thanks for your double "selfowned" Big smile.


DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting.

That is so true. Many of the WiS haters challanged us to give examples of possible WiS gameplay and ideas how it wouldn't suck or how it wouldn't just be some shallow thing. It is their good right to do that and I like them bringing up that point. Because WiS should add something to the gameplay even for the ones who are not convinced by the social gaming argument.
I read a lot of gameplay ideas in this thread, some good and some bad. But they are either ignored by our three personal WiS stalkers here or they are just called out "bullshit".
What you (I mean you haters!) are doing is just negativ posting without much substance or arguments. See, you do have some valid arguments and some of us are even trying to argue with you. But I think we made a mistake, because we all know how "arguing in the internet" works... Roll


Edit: Sorry, for some reason I couldn't quote the link in the first quote, the forum kept having issues with the BBCode.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2057 - 2012-01-03 07:34:57 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
People-men and women-dress up in real life; there's nothing wrong with it. You should try it sometime...

I'm sure *that* is the compelling argument that will get CCP to change their minds. :cripes:



If it ends up being that exact argument that turns the tide in our favor, I will demand you eat your hat.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2058 - 2012-01-03 07:42:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:


now we have a few butthurt people who want to rage on



Indeed. The WiS crowd continues to throw tantrums left and right, but that was the purpose of this thread wasn't it? To show just how butthurt you are after the abandonment of WiS.


God, you couldn't sound more juvenile if you tried.


Just to set the record straight, WiS wasn't abandoned. Work on it has been temporally postponed.

Whether you like it or not, CCP isn't going to abandon or remove WiS. Eventually more WiS content (Establishments, Character Interaction, etc) will be introduced into the game. However, looking at CCP's track record, it'll probably be in a year or two.


Now you know what it feels like every time I have to stoop to your level.

And I hope they don't. But I hope they put all of it into WoD where it belongs.


After reviewing this thread, I and the majority of other players responding to your posted replies have always stooped DOWN to your level. Never once have you tried to view the issue of WiS content with a neutral perspective.

Quite a few times you've stated that if someone could show you some sort of WiS content other than NPC lap dances, you would stop with the negative posting. I and a few others have posted plenty of ideas for WiS content that doesn't include doing a Fashion Show. Of course you just ignored it and continued with your negative posting.

You can hope, rant and rave all you want, CCP will not remove WiS. Like it or not, in the future CCP will add more WiS based content into the game..


But have any of you even explored the reasons why I don't think WiS belong in EVE?

Oh? Have you now? All I have read is basically the repetition of the same message: Why it is needed. If you have, I apologize, it frankly disappeared as white noise.

CCP didn't sell me the concept at its infancy because if I want to socialize, I get off the computer and hang with real people, at a real pub, in the real world.

And I don't want them to remove it, believe me. I want CCP to continue using it as a testbed for when they release WoD so they can pour all that WiS-content in there and you happily can do your fashion shows or /emote together with your friends.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2059 - 2012-01-03 07:48:04 UTC
What is sad is that actually most of this thread is wasted "debating" with a little bunch of trolls. It's terribly improductive, and that's mostly CCP's fault. This thread has become a silly contest between our patience and CCP's stubborness.

We want them to say anything, they keep playing the Three Monkeys of Mismanagement: See no Customer, Hear no Customer, talk not to Customer.

They should know better. But then maybe their PR counselors forgot to instruct them to take care of WiS expectations. CCP "we are so sorry, let's be friends again" software has got no flow chart to deal with the customers who were the ones who got the biggest disappointment with the release of Incarna: those who actually wanted Incarna.

First they disappointed us, now they ignore us even at the lowest PR level...
Taiwanistan
#2060 - 2012-01-03 07:53:37 UTC
yeah, demichael that thread is mostly fixes/releases and? what are you implying, still need to be fixed
also you will not get FPS combat in wis, it's called dust why would ccp cannibalize
and if they did include combat in stations it would be extremely gimped
99% of ppl will be chilling at some 100% gank proof area 99% of the time o7m8ing away /dancing whatever

ccp is greedy and they like money, they would only give new stuff, ie a a radically new "game-mode" to people that will pay for it,
eg. WOD: avatar playing, paid by its own $15 subscribers + $60 disc in a box if and when it comes out
FPS gameplay, paid for by ps3 dudes and initial $60 disc in a box and sony points crap if and when it comes out

now you wis lover think that there is unlimited potential in wis, all for your current $15 worth of eve sub payments, or plex
how god damn gullible can you be? you think dev resources grow on trees? and you can o7m8 your way to profits?

i am sick of hearing the OP's "eve is a sci-fi simulator" line, god you are gullible, because you fell for the marketing copy, ccp hired some fancy mad men agency and they came up with that line, do you eat mcdonalds like "you're lovin' it?"

and the fools that feel that wis is more than DUDES DRESSING UP /EMOTING EACH OTHER, that wis is important, has potential, is a new direction, would be might be cool i am telling you NO, wis it's a bolt-on, a rig, like putting a energy weapons rigs to improve laser damage on a rifter

wis exists only to sell some MT vanity crap, will not be iterated beyond a stupid YMCA /emote bar and grill, unless you dudes all go out and buy a fuckton of aurems and that is the honest to christ truth

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."