Wormholes

Yes people can do this and some will but if you can't sd in shields you can't mitigate your losses somewhat. You only can spite your enemy and if you have to lose everything i think more people would choose to lose everything goin down swinging.

This has been a rather interesting discussion, and I think some solid points have been made that would help drive conflict in our community. However, I don't agree that a ton of changes have to take place to create conflict drivers. I feel they are there and people can use them, but sometimes ignore or refuse to capitalize on them.

Roaming/Gudfights: The fact is that some organizations can field more than others. Sometimes you will be outnumbered, but as we have seen consistently time and time again is people commit as an underdog and win. I can't even count the times I've seen a Verge BR where they were greatly outnumbered and won. Verge aren't the only ones, but the fact is that we play in a community where skill can have a great impact and numbers can be limited. I'm not suggesting that the underdog can always win, but many fights have not happened because the numbers were intimidating and one side declined a fight. I guess the point is here that people use the numbers and blobs excuse not to fight, even though there is evidence that many "sure wins" aren't always sure wins and commiting should have happened.

Evictions: I've led two evictions in w-space and both times, I had a blast. The first was an accident when we stumbled into F2B's C4 back when and they had an offline tower that led to us evicting them with their own ships. The tears were fun, them SD'ing their ships was fun, our comms were hilarious, and we had a good time. The second time was to evict our first alliance, Tragedy. It was personal and we did it. It was fun because it was something we had wanted to do for some time. Both of those seemed like solid conflict drivers for us. The driver was to have a good time.

Mechanics Changes: I'm sure that removing the ability to SD ships in a POS and SMA's booting ships would create a conflict driver to support evictions. No argument from me and I think this would probably not hurt anything.

Overall, wormholers get a ton of fights/ganks/kills, but sometimes we get a tad spoiled and elitist. If you are moving down the pipe and find a fight/gank/kill in a wormhole, you can take it. If you don't, but you find a good low/null, you can take it. If you hate the chain, you can roll it. Sometimes, people will **** each other off and it may lead to conflict. You can evict them, harrass them, or whatever else to instigate conflict. We have the ability to create our own content if we want. CCP and the CSM doesn't have to push or change mechanics to allow for this. I mean... didn't a a little smacktalking in local essentially start one of the largest engagements in the wormhole community?

yup, that would be exactly my point.
I could add CCRES to your list off the top of my head if we want to go real old school but it's hardly relevant.

to be fair, the onus is first on the attackers.
if you want to attack someone, do it yourself, dont bring 5 alliances with you to evict a 50man corp.

as for not wanting anything to do with all of WH space, that's a bit extreme but ive made my views on batphone vs. batphone blob fights fairly well known and do want absolutely nothing to do with them.
you might also note ive recently moved out of high end WH space.


the people siding with to OP here seem to want ISK rewards for PVPing in WHs.
WHY?
running a site or 2 a week is going to take you half an hour at most and will more than cover your PVP. hell, take a couple hours a week and run 8 sites if you lose a lot of crap.
it also doesnt make you a carebear...

there is no reason at all for PVP to be profitable in high end WHs where isk is never a factor.
(it also often IS profitable, given the level of bling ships in WHs tend to have.)

lol - more angsty "where did it all go wrong?" "CCP fix w-space" type posts from the people ruining WH space with their non invasion pacts, coalitions, blues, "protocols", diplo bullsh*t, blobbing, dogpiling, and nonsensical evict anyone who doesn't play by our rules crap.

Anyone else find it ironic that it seems to be the guys doing the most blobbing, preventing fights and evictions that seem to be the most active in these sorts of threads?

You guys say you don't care about killboards but then what's the difference between them SDing inside a FF as opposed to them warping out ships 1 by 1 to your waiting blob?

I pvp in wormholes because I want to deprive others of their hard earned isk. I don't care if I kill their ship/pod or force them to self destruct because I close the hole behind them. Why do you?

a bit ironic from the team leading the largest failed wormhole eviction in history....

'your mom jokes' seem to still be pretty effective.

Obviously it was Bob's will.

Large armor fights are the most lamest shite in the world. Did my post did not convey that feeling?

We often do not have enough people to even begin to counter some of the ridiculous armor fleets being formed up agaisnt. A majority of the time most of us are all dicking around having fun in different parts of nullsec. But suddenly its our fault for not wanting to PVP agaisnt some ridiculous no skilled blob?

A blob we have to waste a hour of our time forming up and strategizing? Some people are just sick of the BS. Roaming and pewing is so much more fun than stroking ones **** on a wormhole.


And my post attacks everyone. VoC and everyone alike. I couldn't careless. I am impartial when I call everyone a risk averse scrub lord.

What about large shield fights? I like those.

Those are a myth bro.