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No major PVP driver in WH space

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#261 - 2013-07-08 08:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
Huh?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Maybe you misread my post? Give it a second read mate. There is no need for a quick reply either, give yourself some time to think first.
MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#262 - 2013-07-08 08:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: MadbaM
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Huh?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Maybe you misread my post? Give it a second read mate. There is no need for a quick reply either, give yourself some time to think first.


if i'm not mistaken he was making light of the fact that high sec war dec's provide as much meaningful PVP as your average slumber party pillow fight.

i think it is you sir that needs to read posts twice.

And i think this thread has come full circle back onto one of the first posts made, if you want PVP in WH's so badly go get in a ship scan a WH and look for it. If you CBA scanning or siting of a POS cloaked for that guy to go do PI then go to low or null instead of heading to the forum.

And if you keep crying about it so much eventually someone will deliver it to your front door, and you might not like it so much.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#263 - 2013-07-08 08:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
I'm sorry, are we talking about something other than the thread title now? What has HS got to do with increasing conflict between wormhole entities.

This thread and the idiots in it (maybe myself included) are the biggest wormhole conflict driver at the moment. What?

Edit: ah you edited on me... Yeah maybe you are right. Perhaps C6 wormhole pvp should just be about killing PI alts and killing supers in null.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#264 - 2013-07-08 09:35:57 UTC
MadbaM wrote:
[quote=Quinn Corvez]Huh?


And if you keep crying about it so much eventually someone will deliver it to your front door, and you might not like it so much.


I always like pvp, even when im losing, I welcome your blob.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2013-07-08 13:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Joan Greywind wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
so, this is where all the super bads talk about important stuff


This is where all the superbads complain they don't have enough pew and make suggestions to change a perfectly acceptable and fun part of space into blobfests. Apparently, fun should have nothing to do with pvp....and pvp should require +30 man fleets to be successful.



Mr kidd Please stop warping the topic to fit your warped biased view about wormhole space, you are even worse than fox news. Your hatred towards c5/c6 entities is just blinding you. I have said it personally more than 10 times, that I don't want WH space to be like null. I also said that we don't want to pvp stop being fun (no one really is arguing for the change of pvp mechanics), also mentioned more than 10 times. We do have the most fun form of pvp in wormhole space. All I said that maybe there should be in game mechanics to drive it. I also said multiple times that we do get plenty of pvp in wormhole space, but there is no reason not to want more.

So please stop this charade and if you hate c5/c6's entities just go kill them, no reason to spew your garbage on the forums.

And Mr kid sometimes the quality of the kills is more important than the quantity. I believe "gevlon" (a miner ganker with a blog), killed like 52b worth of minning in high sec solo in a given month. And it would really help your claim if we actually had your corps name, or maybe the gallante federation decided to venture in to wh space???



Joan, I have no hatred of C5/6 dwellers. My corp will invite them when we have something too big to kill and go join them when invited to tag along. We have open invitations to several of the large w-space inhabitants because we're effective pvp'rs for our size and get them juicy kills when they have nothing else to do.

We have friends all over c5/6 space. Hell, even use to be temnava before you guys imploded and our friends left you for greener pastures.

As for the quality of our kills.....they're all w-space, and since we're too small to pos bash, you can rule that out. Do we gank miners, harvesters, farmers.....you betcha. Just like everyone else here. We'll take on larger fleets and still come out on top, most occasions.

And you'll never know who I am. You'll either have to accept it or bask in your own satisfaction of denial because it could never be true. I'm not here for pats on the back and attaboys. I'm here to enjoy the game for what it is in w-space.....not play it wrong and ask CCP to break it.....I mean fix it.

Everything I've said in this thread is true from my perspective. The big guys want more and bigger fights. Without CCP, that's not possible. But what you're asking for is to fix w-space into something it's not, nor should it be. As for their efficacy at fighting.....I'm not convinced they are that effective when my small corp punches a Kill It With Fire T3 in the face in their home system and they drop a carrier to fend us off....fight over...yeah? Did they want pew or just a win? They lost both. Because we left and they never got a kill on us. We came into them from a C4 so there was no way they could have believed we would have cap support. That's blob/null fighting mentality right there.

Don't ban me, bro!

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#266 - 2013-07-08 14:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Archdaimon
The above post is far more chill so it actually makes sense to respond to it.

What made you trigger is that you see conflict drivers the same as breaking W-space. I don't think anyone living in w-space wants it to change in any greater way and especially not to become more like k-space. Else odds are we would live there.

However, adding content, creating content does not equal that. And when a thread like this devolves into "c6's only wants blob" any chance of actually figuring out what could be improved, without changing the overall feel of WH, disapears.

While I get that the hunt in itself is brilliant and something which is quite rewarding in iteself (far more so than any where else in eve because of cloak-no-local) it does not change the fact the besides the hunt it tends to become arena pvp.

Whether there is a way to change this, without adding to "the blob, blue donought, chose what ever word you want" I don't know. But discussing it has merit - something which unreflected rage has completely made impossible in this thread, even to a degree where other threads are being jacked off through this thread in a weird distaste for higher class wormhole dwellers.

More non-static wormholes would be brilliant. But is it a conflict driver in itself? Dunno.
Is there a way to motivate for invasions without just adding more blobs? Dunno.

But through 14 pages no one ever tried to actually answer the question nor dare reflect on it without spewing bile.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Sandslinger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2013-07-08 14:53:30 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
The above post is far more chill so it actually makes sense to respond to it.

What made you trigger is that you see conflict drivers the same as breaking W-space. I don't think anyone living in w-space wants it to change in any greater way and especially not to become more like k-space. Else odds are we would live there.

However, adding content, creating content does not equal that. And when a thread like this devolves into "c6's only wants blob" any chance of actually figuring out what could be improved, without changing the overall feel of WH, disapears.

While I get that the hunt in itself is brilliant and something which is quite rewarding in iteself (far more so than any where else in eve because of cloak-no-local) it does not change the fact the besides the hunt it tends to become arena pvp.

Whether there is a way to change this, without adding to "the blob, blue donought, chose what ever word you want" I don't know. But discussing it has merit - something which unreflected rage has completely made impossible in this thread, even to a degree where other threads are being jacked off through this thread a weird distaste for higher class wormhole dwellers.

More non-static wormholes would be brilliant. But is it a conflict driver in itself? Dunno.
Is there a way to motivate for invations without just adding more blobs? Dunno.

But through 14 pages no one ever tried to actually answer the question nor dare reflect on it without spewing bile.



Darren Fox
Overload This
#268 - 2013-07-08 15:27:29 UTC
First, I want more conflict drivers in w-space!

In w-space we don't have to fight for our pve. There is more than enough to farm for everyone, either in your home system, chain or alt corp. Also, there are enough systems for everyone. Evictions are usually for meta reasons, not profit or because the invader wants the system for their own.

In order for the existing content to be a conflict driver you either need fewer w-space systems, less anoms/sigs or more people in w-space.

I like the suggestion of a Class 7 wh with roaming C5/C6 wormholes and no moons. Ideally they have something which will be rare and in short supply. Maybe they could drop T2 BPC Capital guns, or T3 Frigate/BS BPC in addition to high value blue loot. That would be a sufficient conflict driver because everyone will want to acquire it, and they will always be vulnerable. In order for it not to be easy to control the C7, the mass of the wormholes could be similar to that of a C1.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2013-07-08 16:01:14 UTC
Darren Fox wrote:
First, I want more conflict drivers in w-space!

In w-space we don't have to fight for our pve. There is more than enough to farm for everyone, either in your home system, chain or alt corp. Also, there are enough systems for everyone. Evictions are usually for meta reasons, not profit or because the invader wants the system for their own.

In order for the existing content to be a conflict driver you either need fewer w-space systems, less anoms/sigs or more people in w-space.

I like the suggestion of a Class 7 wh with roaming C5/C6 wormholes and no moons. Ideally they have something which will be rare and in short supply. Maybe they could drop T2 BPC Capital guns, or T3 Frigate/BS BPC in addition to high value blue loot. That would be a sufficient conflict driver because everyone will want to acquire it, and they will always be vulnerable. In order for it not to be easy to control the C7, the mass of the wormholes could be similar to that of a C1.



Archdaimon, point taken.

Darren, the "no pew to pve" statement is directly caused by you guys moving into the least populated areas of space. In lower classes where almost every other wh is occupied, we do. Being connected to a hs means anyone can come into our system, probe our static and attempt to ruin our day. It's the difference between living in the country (you guys) expecting to go night club hopping every night of the week or living in more populated areas to do it.

Null has maturated....for the past 10 years. W-space, only...what...4 years old. You guys can fix your own issue, but you're not gong to like how to do it.....stop evicting people....let them grow...in the mean time you can still pew with them. If I blew up my neighbors everytime I saw them....I wouldn't have any. I know I know....it's an inane argument.....but there is truth to it. You guys have just grown too fast for the area you're in. It's probably a quicker and less completely fcked up way to fix your issues than asking devs who barely play the game to fix it for you. It's like asking your government to get involved in a family dispute.....restraining orders, someone's going to jail.....everyone is going to be broke.

Don't ban me, bro!

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2013-07-08 16:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Mr Kidd wrote:


Darren, the "no pew to pve" statement is directly caused by you guys moving into the least populated areas of space. In lower classes where almost every other wh is occupied, we do. Being connected to a hs means...


Yeah guys use your brains like Mr Kid. Stop moving into C6 wormholes and maybe they will become more populated. Also, i know your chain never connects to HS but let me tell you of the thrill of killing day-tripping drake. Want more conflict drivers? Then stop taking part in the only in game one there is Roll
Darren Fox
Overload This
#271 - 2013-07-08 16:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Darren Fox
I would say that 4 years without any major content added to w-space is a fairly long time. Sure, w-space may be one of the more "well-balanced" (for the lack of a better term) areas in the game, but it still has gone quite stale. Where is the "unknown"? Everything is navigated, mapped and analyzed down to an art. Now, what is wrong with asking CCP to add some more "unknown", stir up the anthill, pour some honey on the ground and watch ants, bees or even dinosaurs come for it.

New and exciting > old and stale

Both at Fanfest and in posts, CCP Seagull and Fozzie have painted a picture of exploration, the unknown, creating new gates etc. Fozzie has even caught on to the idea of moonless w-systems added. If we as players show an interest in it, discuss it, critique it there is a chance it might be added down the road, and be well-balanced.

Since I, and a lot of others, prefer pvp to pve I think it is important to send the message that whatever is done, conflict drivers should be at the forefront. Don't give out a bucket of bland icecream to everyone. Make it awesome, rare and let us all fight for it, in small groups or large groups.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#272 - 2013-07-08 20:30:56 UTC
I would also add that all w-space is the best pi so that would replace the moon goo incentive, if you want to initiate pvp start knocking down custom offices.
Cipreh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#273 - 2013-07-08 20:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipreh
I would like to point something out to those who are complaining about the "lack of conflict" or saying "pvp is dead in wspace!"

The only thing holding you back is you. Quit complaining, waiting for fights to be handed to you on a silver platter. Go out, scan, scout, and roll your statics, there are plenty of targets to be had, and lots of fun fights, as well as ganks, ransoms, and all sorts of awesome PLAYER generated content.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=319757

We are a C2 corp, and we've killed almost 350 billion isk, IN WSPACE, since we formed five months ago. Suck it up, buy a covops scanner frig, and get out there, the fights will happen.

Get off your asses and play the game.

Blog: http://lostwithoutlocal.blogspot.com Twitter: @Cipreh I am also available on Skype, details available upon request. Feel free to contact me via any of the above methods,or in-game.

Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#274 - 2013-07-08 20:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
Robert Morningstar wrote:
I would also add that all w-space is the best pi so that would replace the moon goo incentive, if you want to initiate pvp start knocking down custom offices.


Sounds good in theory but when you consider that POCOs are worth about the same a a single BC, it's not worth fielding a fleet for.

Do POCOs even drop loot?

@ Cipreh welcome to the conversation but generally most people agree that low end wormholes (c2s in particular) are working fine so we're not really talking about that, as far as I can tell.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#275 - 2013-07-08 20:45:31 UTC
MadbaM wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Huh?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Maybe you misread my post? Give it a second read mate. There is no need for a quick reply either, give yourself some time to think first.


drivel...meaningful PVP as your average slumber party pillow fight.

...more drivel... with a threat.



when you try and make "meaningful PVP" is when you lost Eve

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Nix Anteris
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#276 - 2013-07-08 20:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nix Anteris
Darren Fox wrote:
I would say that 4 years without any major content added to w-space is a fairly long time.

Asked at fanfest - the response was "we're on the list", and we all know, the list is long.

VegasMirage wrote:
when you try and make "meaningful PVP" is when you lost Eve

There's not much more meaningless than what you do, and you're definitely not winning anything.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#277 - 2013-07-08 20:52:28 UTC
Nix Anteris wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
when you try and make "meaningful PVP" is when you lost Eve

There's not much more meaningless than what you do, and you're definitely not winning anything.


Only 1 thing keeps me subscribed and its nerd raging pastebins or soundclouds from neckbeards like you. People who think they're relevant or want to have "meaningful pvp".

The ONLY thing that's meaningless to me is when you don't get the kill. Proly something that happens to you lot daily and the source of your teen angst threadnaught you've created here.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Nix Anteris
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#278 - 2013-07-08 20:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nix Anteris
VegasMirage wrote:
Only 1 thing keeps me subscribed and its nerd raging pastebins or soundclouds from neckbeards like you. People who think they're relevant or want to have "meaningful pvp".

I thought it was your lack of friends, job and life

VegasMirage wrote:
the source of your teen angst threadnaught you've created here.

You mean this thing you have to join in on because you're getting no attention elsewhere.

Your "look at me I'm a douche" shenanigans were boring years ago.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#279 - 2013-07-08 20:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Nix Anteris wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
Only 1 thing keeps me subscribed and its nerd raging pastebins or soundclouds from neckbeards like you. People who think they're relevant or want to have "meaningful pvp".

I thought it was your lack of friends, job and life.


I lol'd

+1 for showing us your butthurt from when WE Dirty Sanchez'd your fail alliance Narwhals Ate My Duck. Years of hate bro let it build.

Like I said, your tears fuel my subscriptions. Now, that's meaningful.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#280 - 2013-07-08 21:07:37 UTC
No need for personal insults here guys.