Wormholes

'Youre not in my fleet' = plenty of a conflict driver

Well let me clarify more before this gets out of hand. What I am not saying is, that there is zero pvp in WH or if you go and look for it you won't find it. What I am saying is, outside of the reasons I stated in my first post, mainly having fun killing other people (which is a great reason by in and itself), we still don't have any in game incentive to actually go and PVP. I could live in WH and not participate in any sort of pvp and still reap the all the rewards.

In null sec if you don't pvp you lose your sov, income etc. Sure in WH you have evictions, but evictions are not a profitable venture at all due to current mechanics, and are done for meta reasons. And most evictions, end up in posing up and self destructing, so there is no incentive to do them anymore, unless you really hate the corp. For instance look at the r64 moon changes, because of that small change we have seen the creation of a big war and much more pvp oppurtunities. Sadly in WH we don't have anything that drives pvp now, other than it's fun. The better pvper should be rewarded for the skill and risks they take, not only by killboard entries and bragging rights, but actually by in game rewards.

And guys no I don't want wh space to be like null, all I am saying that if you choose not to pvp you have to lose something, and if you do pvp and win, you will get some form of in game reward (generally speaking of course, not all pvp should be based on rewards, at least some of it, like evictions). Hence my suggestion in the first post (maybe it's bad, I really don't know) about evictions at least reaping the ships and modules of the other corp, without them being able to destroy (self destruct) them so easily.

And please keep it constructive, I am not whinning, I am not being lazy and not looking hard enough for pvp, I am only discussing a point of view, that maybe can make WH space a little better. I can't force you, but if your comments are something like come fight me, or just go outside your hole and you will find pvp, then please keep it for yourself.

So post away, and remember I am sensitive so don't call be bad names and watch your tones.

small scale: very true.
larger scale: if only....

This is why we need moon goo in W-space.

Ever since I came to C6 wormhole space, i’ve felt like the OP does. After you kill a few caps and have a 30 man armour T3 brawl, you realise that this is pretty much all there is and other than the fun of a good fight, there is no real reason to fight.

I don’t think this is a player base problem, i think it’s a CCP problem. The only way to revitalise W-space and the pvp in it, would be for CCP to either add content or change the POS system.

For me the problem comes from the fact that if you role into someone looking for a fight but the people at home can’t or don’t want to fight, the attacker has two option; burn the system to the ground or go home and try again. The latter option being chosen 99% of the time.

So unless CCP and our CSM start looking at a wormhole expansion/update, there is little we can do about the situation.

A few on the spot examples:

Adding a 7th class of wormhole only accessible through C6 wormholes
Change the black hole effect to something people are willing to deal with
Add new T3 mods that require WH moon goo
Make more out of pos shield structures (POCOS) that required players to defend
Add the chance of roaming effects in all wormholes without a static system effect
Add the ability to swap clones in W-space using a rorqual


I agree with what you said. It's not hard to get a fight if you really try, my issue is; what is the reason to fight?

no blues

Mr Kidd, excellent as always :-)

I cannot like Kidd's post enough. Invariably, the people I see complaining about lack of "true" PVP in wormhole space are members of the largest entities that reside in (usually) C6 space. There's nothing wrong with wanting large fleet fights, but there are few other groups in wormhole space that can bring those sorts of fights, and wormhole connections aren't favorable to that kind of combat.

I'm pretty sure I did not say that. Lemme check...yep..didn't say that. My comment was about what w-space is....not what it should be. There's nothing wrong with wanting it to be different....more populated....but if you want CCP to "fix" it, then it's on the 5 year plan or more. And I'm not exactly convinced CCP can fix it other than to break it. I live in w-space for what it is, not what I want it to be. And if CCP puts their fat fix it fingers into it, I don't know if I'd like it anymore.




Again, I said nothing about w-space not needing more people....nothing! My comments are based on the realities of w-space. If you want w-space to be more populated then I suggest you split your alliance fortress systems up and spread out. But, if you want to be the biggest baddest fleet in w-space....accept the reality that only a few others are willing and able to fight with you. Reality.....more people in larger and larger fleets does not equal more pew. More people in many smaller fleets equals more pew. You just have to accept that sometimes you're going to be outgunned.