EVE General Discussion

Paying for a 1 subscription is not P2W it's Pay 2 Play. Having more than one can be seen as a form of P2W as not everyone will be able to have multiple accounts, so some people will have a large paid for advantage over others. Same with PLEX for isk not everyone can afford to pay for PLEX to sell on the in-game market so that will also gain an advantage to those that can.

There are other factors that effect game play like how long someone can spend playing the game, how good their computer system is and how good their service provider is when connecting to EVE. None of which can be regulated in-game. Which is part of why I don't see multiple accounts or PLEX as a problem. Plus I like EVE unbalanced, if everything was fair it would be boring. The world is not fair so I see no problem with EVE not being fair.

Let me ask you a question. I'f everyone purchased over powered ships from an in-game shop would that be P2W? It's all a matter of perspective.

That's just my personal preference, I tend to like being with the underdogs. Never understood why people leave to join the winning side.

PLEX is already for SP although it only effects a character starting out at least for now.

Buy PLEX from CCP, sell on the market for isk, train cybernetics to level 4, fit +4 implants resulting in faster training times than what you would have had normally. Plus all the books you can just buy without waiting to be able to afford them.

pay to win usually mean: you pay to increase your chance to win. It's not that if you pay you win without options.....

another example: take 2 n00bs with equal skills and experience. First one plays "without PLEX" and uses "normal" ship. Second one plays with PLEX and uses "uber pirate ship". Keeping aside stupid mistakes second pilot will win in this situation with big chance.

From this point it looks more like "PLEX is pay2win"

I too like to show a single example of extreme idiocy, and use it as proof....

I use PLEX for Aurum. I don't know what any of you people are talking about.

The perspective that it's pay to win is understandable. However, a basic comprehension of the economics involved does bring about the point that it doesn't provide any player with any advantage not earned by the cooperation of in game play.

What I mean by this is that some players couldn't play the game if they couldn't pay for it in game by giving adequate time to grinding out the ISK to buy a PLEX in game. They are substituting their in game time for the subscription fee they would normally pay, which I think few players would argue is unfair.

The players who buy and sell PLEX are doing nothing more then providing the means for other players to play a game they otherwise couldn't, and in fact they have to pay MORE then the subscription costs to provide that benefit. As a further note some players could never play this game for lack of time to do the inherently required ISK grinding, but they aren't inherently bad players when you take into account the way they pilot, fit, and train these players are arguably 'P2W' but the grinding required to make their ships and buy their advantage wasn't skipped it was merely performed by someone willing to do it for the luxury of not having to pay a subscription.

The price of PLEX is part of the market, and is not artificially set, it plays no direct part in EVEs economy, in fact, because its paying for subscriptions and allowing a larger player base its ACTUALLY an ISK sink decreasing inflation in the game by making billions of ISK that was grinded for disappear into the void when a PLEX is consumed for subscription instead of on in game items. Since the PLEX is part of the market if too many players ever try to 'P2W' then they will over-saturate the market with PLEX and the players who need them to play will be willing to pay less ISK for the overabundance allowing players with less internal game means to produce the necessary ISK to also keep playing, always perpetually keeping the price reasonable to the amount of effort expended to keep the economy running, and keep players playing.

From an averaged pure economic perspective there can be no argument , PLEX do not provide an advantage in the economy or in the game... The key word here is 'averaged'. In game however the real disparity is between the players who have BOTH the unlimited free time AND the large wallet to invest both ways, and players who have a life and thus lack the necessary time AND money to stay in game through PLEX. However, aside from these two extremes all that is really done by PLEX existing is giving players with limited time an opportunity to play instead of grind, and players with ample time an opportunity to grind to play where otherwise they couldn't play at all.

The people in the middle with the money to spare for a subscription and the time to spare to make a profit and move forward aren't economically disadvantaged, they are merely disgruntled that these other players game to a financial agreement that frankly could have just as easily been brokered in real life if it wasn't brokered in game by CCP as it was, and nothing could have been done about it if it was done that way, so realistically at least this allows CCP to take advantage of something that will occur rather they, or any player likes it or not.

Why in the nine circles of hell would you EVER need 4 warp core stabs?