Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like the idea to give new players a taste of action. However once the test drive ends they may slump back into feeling useless, but who are we kidding ? Because, to be frank, you can't do jack in this game until your have a few million SPs under your belt. Besides grinding missions or slow mining.. and those hardly tempt anyone to keep playing.

Sorry, think I got a bit derailed here. Yeah, this might do the trick to get and keep new players.

I'm going to have to go with "No" for reasons similar to what David Xaviar stated.

If you give new players the ability to "grind" skills in the beginning of the game they will wonder why this cannot be made to work for the entire experience that is EVE. The current system we have encourages patience and forces players to think, "what can I do with the current skills that I have available and how can I maximize their effectiveness" rather than think, "I need to get to level XX before I can become 'effective.'"
Though... this still doesn't stop some people from thinking this way.

Truth be told... EVE isn't one of those games where you can "be the 'hero'" right from the start. It takes time and experience to get to that point. Yeah... newer people may feel "ineffective" being stuck in cheapo frigate while his/her peers are flying battlecruisers (which, by the way, is a myth as the frigate can perform roles and jobs that a battlecruiser cannot do)... but that's actually the built-in "safety" to the system overall. Being "stuck" in a frigate means that the newbie has to learn how to use it more effectively... which means learning tactics and fittings... things that help the newbie later on when he/she gets the skills to get into bigger and more expensive ships... while still in a cheapo T1 fit, T1 frigate that's worth less than 1 million ISK.
The skills system is a PROCESS and works in tandem with actual player skill (provided that the player actually takes the initiative and learns in the first place).

On a personal note... I was tackling cruisers and battlecruisers in itty-bitty frigates and lol-fit cruisers when I started getting a taste for PvP. I only had a little under 1 million or so SP in combat related skills.

Epic Arcs should be the best way to implement it.

How many of you have done more than the first Epic arcs and those 51 missions?

How many are capable without deep research to say where the next step is and what epic arcs can you do after this?

How many, even the oldest players, know you have 2 single time life concord missions?

This should be worked and could, with implementation of your idea, in a very positive way bring the new player to another version of missions, incursions and think about pvp.

incarnate the role of some tackler, the one of some ganker, the one of some POS manager or even alliance income manager, fleet commander or wing commander etc etc

Imho this should not be taken lightly and should not be available unless you have a few months of training. Somehow his own skills should be one of the biggest factors to succeed.

Why not? -positive stuff for every one, the newbbie has the older players, maybe more players interested on the long term.

It's all positive for the game, I can't see any other drawback than hundreds of hours coding for dev's, witch is already THA cake to eat.

You missed the point I was trying to make. The idea itself is a "slippery slope." For example:

There never used to be a "high-sec." Years ago, it was entirely possible to gank someone and warp away laughing. It was also possible to get a bunch of guys together with logis and camp the high-sec gates while tanking the various faction navies (and later, even the newly introduced CONCORD). People clamored for change... CCP drug their feet, resistant to the idea of making a "secure space"... people complained even more... CCP implemented a "compromise"... CONCORD would issue lethal punishment 100% of the time, avoiding said punishment would not be allowed, and nothing would be done to prevent the actual act of aggression in the first place (i.e. you can still shoot people but expect to lose your ship as well).

Today, newer people no nothing of this "compromise" and complain that the "safety of high-sec" is "not working as intended." These people want things to be made MORE "secure" because the "safety" they had come to expect was nothing more than an illusion.

Your idea, while made with the best of intentions, gives new players the "illusion" that grinding "works." Eventually it'll come to a point where newer players will start asking that "skill grinding" be fully implemented into the game (because, well, it works so "well" as a tutorial n' stuffz).




It takes less than 12 hours to get [racial] Frigate 3 and about a day or so to get all the relevant skills needed to PvP on a most basic level. Give a new player a specialized skillplan for nothing but frigates and within a month he/she will have the character skills to pilot a frigate on par with that of the veteran player (because remember, the cap for each skill is 5 and not every player gets EVERY skill to 5).

Now granted, newer players will know little to nothing about "specialization." But that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make here is that IF the newer player has dabbled here and there and now wants to start the road to becoming "very effective"... it takes about a month (or less considering that the newer player might have some of the needed skills already worked on) to get up to the character skill level of a "vet."

Tanya's got a good idea, really extensive and detailed tutorials via mission arcs, where you are put into ships/positions fulfilling different roles during the missions, ignoring your current skills completely.

So to the actual "test drive" would be the experiencing of that role in a fleet/organization, not a temporary skill boost.

It gives people the wrong idea on what EVE is primarily centered around (hint: it isn't PVE or skills... they are simply means to an end) and gives people false expectations on what they can and cannot do (remember, EVE isn't a a "Hero game," it's a "process game").

Maybe they can implement some kind of "civilian ship"? From the tutorial agents, you get civilian modules that can be used without having the skills for the regular version of that module.

The thing is that it only takes about 1d to train Frig 3, small weapons 3, and basic tanking of any given race. It takes about half a week to get all of the racial frigs up enough to get a feel for it (and the day it takes to train the next frig isn't enough time to finish getting a feel for the previous day's race that you trained anyways).

The issue isn't that it takes long at all to train for different races' frigs, it's that people don't know that they should try different races out. I can't count the times I've explained to people that just because your character started Min (or whatever race they start) doesn't mean that you can't fly all the other races' ships too.

Dammit

You're making me believe the op is even worst at English than I am? -impossible !!

WTF is wrong with you? -he's not asking to change all the skills has they are right now

He's not asking or inventing whatever idea for skill changing at all !!!


Let me try to explain it to you in my small English education, I'm so sorry.

HE'S JUST ASKING IF IT'S EVER POSSIBLE TO IMPLEMENT SOME KIND OF INTRODUCTION TO PVP VIA EPIC ARCS OR WHATEVER MISSION WHERE YOU CAN USE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHIPS DEDICATED, only, FOR THAT SPECIFIC MISSION.

What can you not understand? capicci? comprends? comprende?

Sry don't speak asian, russian, swedish (I do but just "hoo yeah c'mon hmmm yeah"), but I've tried turtle, it's hard.

one question, does it mean ignore the skill requrements for one item or 1 skill requirement for an item? if it's ignore 1 skill req then i agree, but it it's ignore the requirements for 1 item then i disagree.