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What's a good price for Kill Rights?
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-07-03 15:23:10 UTC
I just made a kill right available to everyone, and put a price of 1,000,000 ISK. The murdering cur has a bounty on his head for well over 400,000,000 ISK. Is there a general rule of thumb or "best practices" kind of thing for setting the price of Kill Rights?

Just to be certain I understand this: the 1,000,000 ISK is what someone will pay me for the privilege of killing my killer. Right?

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-07-03 15:29:12 UTC
Yeah if his sec status allows him to goto high sec if not you just wasted the isk on the KR tbh.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#3 - 2013-07-03 15:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
If you want the KR to be exercised, you need to place the price below the probable bounty payoff. With a 400M ISK bounty, your 1M ISK KR are probably going to be in the correct range. Of course, you could just eschew the pay entirely, and set the KR at zero - I've had folks do to that to me. Of course, they forgot to add a bounty... But for a zero-ISK KR, I suppose that's just fine. Twisted
FrequentMosqueAttendance
Nutz Inc
#4 - 2013-07-03 16:27:08 UTC
Do you realise he can just use an alt to kill himself in a shuttle? Making it available to all is just a derp move
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-03 16:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
You mean CCP hasn't figured out a way to prevent suicide by alt? Also, if he could do that, couldn't he just do the same to collect the bounty on his head?

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#6 - 2013-07-03 16:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
You mean CCP hasn't figured out a way to prevent suicide by alt? Also, if he could do that, couldn't he just do the same to collect the bounty on his head?

Bounties pay off as a percentage of value destroyed - Popping shuttles with blank clones in them doesn't pay particularly well, even for high-value targets. and because the bounty payout is always less than the full value destroyed, sucide-by-alt is a losing proposition.
FrequentMosqueAttendance
Nutz Inc
#7 - 2013-07-03 17:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: FrequentMosqueAttendance
Not if you just want the KR removed it isnt.

example:

You make KR available to all for 1,000,000 ISK.

Pilot logs on his out of corp alt

alt activates KR on pilot you want dead

Alt kills said pilot in low value ship such as shuttle

Kill right is used and no longer available to anyone.

Result, you just wasted your KR.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#8 - 2013-07-03 17:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
FrequentMosqueAttendance wrote:
Not if you just want the KR removed it isnt.

Fair point - though I was mostly addressing the issue of the bounty.


Honestly, KRs don't much bother me - I've got publicly available KRs on me, and others have private KRs on me, and I don't move around much - And I also haven't seen anyone hunting me for those KRs. It's not like I'm uber-hard or anything, either - A well-fit PvP Frigate or Dessie could easily enough do for me, if I'm not alert. End point is - I don't think KRs are really worth all that much in real practice.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-07-03 17:49:47 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
FrequentMosqueAttendance wrote:
Not if you just want the KR removed it isnt.

Fair point - though I was mostly addressing the issue of the bounty.


Honestly, KRs don't much bother me - I've got publicly available KRs on me, and others have private KRs on me, and I don't move around much - And I also haven't seen anyone hunting me for those KRs. It's not like I'm uber-hard or anything, either - A well-fit PvP Frigate or Dessie could easily enough do for me, if I'm not alert. End point is - I don't think KRs are really worth all that much in real practice.



Still. He'd have to pay me to kill himself. And The cost of the clone is probably more than 1mil isk - depending on his skill points. No?

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Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
#10 - 2013-07-03 18:16:12 UTC
i do wonder, is that dude a -10 char ?

and ya wont get the isk of the killright yaself
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-07-03 18:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Mr Vrix wrote:
i do wonder, is that dude a -10 char ?

and ya wont get the isk of the killright yaself


Yeah, -10. It was in Low Sec space. If I don't get the isk, who does?

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-03 20:07:46 UTC
Mr Vrix wrote:

and ya wont get the isk of the killright yaself


Yes, you do.
Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
#13 - 2013-07-03 20:39:26 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Mr Vrix wrote:

and ya wont get the isk of the killright yaself


Yes, you do.



rly, thats nice then ;o ppl should have bought the1 i had then :(
Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
#14 - 2013-07-03 20:40:41 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Mr Vrix wrote:
i do wonder, is that dude a -10 char ?

and ya wont get the isk of the killright yaself


Yeah, -10. It was in Low Sec space. If I don't get the isk, who does?


wel if he -10 atm then everyone can kill him everywhere without a killright
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-03 20:46:09 UTC
Thanks for all of your replies. Now I have a better idea of how KR work.

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Bruce Bayne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-07-03 21:31:12 UTC
Sometimes miners or their friends try to gank my bumpingship that i use for enforcing the code.
However they all fail miserably and i have then killrights on some carebears.

So i put the price on 10 million isk, just the price a mining permit in highsec would be. Otherwise i would be an unfair new order agent.
In the end i get my 10 mill anyways and if its paid by his friend or alt then this is good practise for him to get used to pay the new order.

Another thing killrights are measure on is that you put the killright at a amount that would somehow cover you shiploss (if its relatively cheap, cause noone wants to kill someone for 5 bill cause you lost your 5 bill machariel^^ ).

Like once i lost a bomber that was about 40 mill. So i set the killright on 40 mill.
I was happy, the killer/alt was happy. All good :P
FrequentMosqueAttendance
Nutz Inc
#17 - 2013-07-03 21:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: FrequentMosqueAttendance
Also, the kill right is for pod OR ship, not both. So if his ship is killed by an alt the he can just warp off and wait out the suspect timer.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-07-04 00:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Clone 77777
FrequentMosqueAttendance wrote:
Also, the kill right is for pod OR ship, not both. So if his ship is killed by an alt the he can just warp off and wait out the suspect timer.


That would be, the killright is for the ship and/or the pod.
Youre contradicting yourself, but alls good, now that I corrected it.
Oh, and the price of a killright is pretty much dependent on who it is. Is it someone who likes to fly around in possible pinata battleships? Then theres a good chance people will spend good money, say 100mil isk, if he flying around with like a billion in mods.
If its a -10 char, then dont even bother, I personally only activated killrights on -10's if they cost 0, simply cause it seemed more humiliating to me that it has that on the killmail.
And if its just some random joe whos nothing special and flies nothing special, then either keep it to yourself o make it available for like maybe max 10 mil I guess.

Its all circumstantial.
Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-07-04 02:10:12 UTC
if you want him to die, make it free
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-07-04 02:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
if you want him to die, make it free


I do want him dead, but if you get a piece of that bounty that's on his head (over 440,000,000 isk), wouldn't you more than make up for the 1 mil isk fee?

With that in mind, why would making it free help motivate anyone?

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