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Expansions should cost $

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-07-03 15:14:14 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

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You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#42 - 2013-07-03 15:17:43 UTC
Lets have a look at how this would work for the Retribution expansion features, just as an example.

Feature Summary:


  • Bounty Hunting Revamp
  • Crimewatch revamp
  • Rebalancing ships and roles
  • New destroyers
  • New ORE frigate
  • Tactical Combat Features
  • Upgrade NPC AI
  • Atmospheric Audio
  • Drones, Drops and Dials.


I would need to pay for the expansion, otherwise I wouldn't get the features in that expansion, yes?

What features from the above list could be realistically restricted to people who have bought the expansion?

New Destroyers
New ORE Frigate
Atmospheric Audio

That's about it. Everything else is "core" stuff which couldn't possibly be released to some players and not others. Would you really pay $19.99 for those three features?

I like the subscription setup CCP have right now. I like the fact that all players have access to all parts of the game from day one, without paying anything extra. It's the way a sandbox should be.

Money for expansions would be utterly stupid.

I have a specific comb for my beard.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#43 - 2013-07-03 15:17:47 UTC
Enris Athonille wrote:
"There is no such thing a free lunch." -Milton Friedman

All accounts are either being paid monthly or 5 dollars over the monthly fee on average. The plex is player generated so nobody is actually playing for free. Out of all the subscribed accounts CCP is making money on everyone one of them and more because of the cost of plex. Who shoulders the cost though is dependent on the players, they can either use there isk towards PLEX or they can just buy time. So its a fair and balanced system.


Friedman's logic applies just as well to the free to play model. No one plays for free in any game.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2013-07-03 15:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: P3ps1 Max
Paul Panala wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.


lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.
Bear
brinelan
#45 - 2013-07-03 15:18:09 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
quote brinelan, and how exactly would you propose to deal with people who haven't paid for the expansion?

Really?Question


ya, so if this goes in then we would start seeing messages that "sorry you cant use crimewatch until you pay us $19.99 for expansion x?"

Sorry, paid expansions don't really work here, and besides if this is about f2p then you can keep it. plex is fine. The people that want to play free can without stupid restrictions like most games that tacked on free to play after the fact lke eq2 etc and those that want to pay their $15/month and keep their isk for other things can.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#46 - 2013-07-03 15:19:11 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.


Pay attention P3ps1 Max. This is an example of someone who understands how both language and PLEX work.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#47 - 2013-07-03 15:19:52 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide


Didn't realize this. just slightly off topic.



That's ok

I trust you will now bring it back on topic?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#48 - 2013-07-03 15:20:03 UTC
OP is a moron.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#49 - 2013-07-03 15:20:16 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.


lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.
Bear


Please explain how PLEX otherwise become available on the market. And please show your work with specific citations from CCP..


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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#50 - 2013-07-03 15:21:01 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:

lol you seriously believe every plex on the market was purchased by someone? I could be wrong and if so I stand corrected.
Bear



Lol prepare to be dazzled Cool

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-07-03 15:21:20 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.


Why do so many idiots insist on saying that people using PLEX are playing "for free?"

CCP makes more money from PLEX players than they do from subscribers.

Surely people realize this and just choose to ignore it so they can act like prats on the forums.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#52 - 2013-07-03 15:21:22 UTC
Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy?

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-07-03 15:22:38 UTC
I stopped playing consoles because I felt I had to buy DLC to get the full experience.

I already payed for eve expansions through my subscription and that should be enough for CCP. Plus, we haven't had a true expansion for a long time now, just tweaks and polish.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Kashmyta
HC - gizmos Gizco
#54 - 2013-07-03 15:23:47 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
I've seen quite a few posts regarding this F2P nonsense. The best avenue to take for the company 'imo', is to charge for an expansion(s). With 4 expansions each year with a set price at 19.99$ or 1 expansion with 3 content updates during the year Question

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2 (which is a pretty bad ass game) which doesn't charge a cent to play each month. They do however have a **** load of micro-transactions from their market place but those items are not game changing but rather clothing and other cool paraphernalia .

To me Eve is setup for success using this business model.Cool



You do pay for these expansions, every single month.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-07-03 15:24:13 UTC
Lephia DeGrande wrote:
Fifteen Bucks, are the People really that poor or just greedy?



Who?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-07-03 15:25:08 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Expansions should cost $


They already do, it costs $15/mo.


Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.


Who is playing for free ?

Player A buys 10 PLEX from CCP for hard RL money.. then puts 10 PLEX on the ingame market for player b, c, d, e, f, g..... to buy for ISK.

I dont see f2p here.
Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-07-03 15:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dominous Nolen
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Expansions should cost $


They already do, it costs $15/mo.


Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.


Let me ask you this question, if EVE runs on a single shard then what happens to those who don't keep pace with the latest updates? Essentially if the infrastructure stayed as it is then you're locking out players who aren't keeping pace on patches because they can't or won't follow the WoW upgrade model.

I already put in my $15/month plus more in plex so to me this idea won't fly.

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2013-07-03 15:30:04 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


He is right, a "decent percentage" could easily be 25% or less. Either way, what is your point? Do you feel like the game is somehow hurt buy people who play for free? CCP makes money from those PLEX, so they are not really playing for free, they are playing because they traded with another person who is paying double.


Pay attention P3ps1 Max. This is an example of someone who understands how both language and PLEX work.




Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2013-07-03 15:31:02 UTC
Dominous Nolen wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Expansions should cost $


They already do, it costs $15/mo.


Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.


Let me ask you this question, if EVE runs on a single shard then what happens to those who don't keep pace with the latest updates? Essentially if the infrastructure stayed as it is then you're locking out players who aren't keeping pace on patches because they can't or won't follow the WoW upgrade model.

I already put in my $15/month plus more in plex so to me this idea won't fly.



What is up with you and the wow references.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#60 - 2013-07-03 15:32:00 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:



Anyways, this topic was about how ccp could bring in more revenue. Glad to know Plex is the backbone of the game.



PLEX is a primary revenue stream for CCP


PLEX is the primary informer off the ingame economy

The ingame economy is how your character makes Isk







Is this somehow news to you?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann