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Expansions should cost $

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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-07-03 14:54:53 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:

Go back to your cave.



You go back to YOUR cave



Guild Wars is a GAME not a COMPANY



Or is that concept too hard to grasp for you


Thank you for stating the obvious.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#22 - 2013-07-03 14:55:02 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Expansions should cost $


They already do, it costs $15/mo.


Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free.


* citation needed *




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJqsLgIRvys


Sorry, nowhere in that video does it say that a majority of players play EVE for free.

This only proves you don't understand how PLEX or EVE works.



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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#23 - 2013-07-03 14:55:56 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
It wouldn't work.

Why not?


The ecology of the game is too delicate.


Is this code word for player's wallets are too delicate?


That's an important factor, yes.

Oh god.
Enris Athonille
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-07-03 14:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Enris Athonille
"There is no such thing a free lunch." -Milton Friedman

All accounts are either being paid monthly or 5 dollars over the monthly fee on average. The plex is player generated so nobody is actually playing for free. Out of all the subscribed accounts CCP is making money on everyone one of them and more because of the cost of plex. Who shoulders the cost though is dependent on the players, they can either use there isk towards PLEX or they can just buy time. So its a fair and balanced system.
brinelan
#25 - 2013-07-03 14:59:43 UTC
and how exactly would you propose to deal with people who haven't paid for the expansion? It works in theme park games but wont really work here by design.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2013-07-03 15:00:59 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:

Go back to your cave.



You go back to YOUR cave



Guild Wars is a GAME not a COMPANY



Or is that concept too hard to grasp for you


Thank you for stating the obvious.


P3ps1 Max wrote:

A company that comes to mind that is extremely successful with this is Guild Wars 2



Not obvious to you apparently

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-07-03 15:02:12 UTC
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-07-03 15:02:25 UTC
I 100% disagree. Eve, like any MMO, is a single product, the service and the client go hand-in-hand, you can't have one without the other. You pay a monthly fee for the service, that fee includes updates to the client.

If you don't like the fact that some people play for free, it isn't a big deal. Players who PLEX their accounts don't cost CCP anything. They are buying the PLEX from someone else who paid real world money, so it is a 1 for 1. PLEX typically cost more than a month of service, so CCP actually makes a little extra.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-07-03 15:03:38 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Expansions should cost $


They already do, it costs $15/mo.


Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free. But then you have new players with a high turnover ratio paying the bills.

To me this would give CCP greater revenue while providing larger content to its players. More content is a win win for everyone.


This isn't the way it works. Those PLEX on the market are there because real players bought them and put them there.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-07-03 15:03:44 UTC
The OP is absolutely pure genius! I have a feeling the OP has a MBA from Harvard Business School, because business savvy like that does not just come natural. When your business has shown ten years of continued growth, what better time is there for a complete restructuring of your business model. You know that old saying, "If it ain't broke, f*^% it all up."

Oh and 0/10 troll, would not read again.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-07-03 15:03:53 UTC
quote brinelan, and how exactly would you propose to deal with people who haven't paid for the expansion?

Really?Question
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#32 - 2013-07-03 15:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.




You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

How many is a "decent percentage" exactly? Please show your work.

I suppose you also believe PLEX are free, and that CCP does not receive any money for them.

You must be Ace's alt.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-07-03 15:07:12 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.



Oh? Plex are free now? I better go cash in.

Dumbass.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-07-03 15:10:10 UTC
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2013-07-03 15:11:21 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-07-03 15:11:43 UTC
@De'Veldrin


"Dumbass"


"Umadbrah"
Big smile
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-07-03 15:12:13 UTC
OP, I will try to explain this to you so you can understand.

I have a few accounts, let's say three.

This would cost me $45/month ($15/month per account).

Instead of paying $45/month, I buy 3 PLEXes from the Eve market with isk & apply that to accounts for 30 days on each account.

I make this isk doing multiple things & really isn't that hard to make each month.

Am I playing Eve Online for free? NO, I am not.

Why,

Someone else playing Eve Online wants to have instant isk, so they pay Real Money to CCP for a PLEX. ( I thiink you can buy 2 Plexes for $35, not sure been years since I bought a PLEX)

This person goes & sells this PLEX on the Eve market for isk.

I buy this PLEX from this person & use it to get me another 30 days of game time.

So,

Someone that paid Real Money for that PLEX from CCP just paid for my monthly fee.

I do what I do in Eve to make isk & now that person who sold me the isk for the PLEX doesn't have to do anything.

End Result,

CCP actually makes an Extra $2.50/month with me buying PLEX from someone who paid Real Money for it, then if I were to pay my monthly fee of $15

I win for not having to pay real money for this game

Someone selling PLEX wins for not having to figure out or wait to make isk

CCP wins with PLEX because they are making more Real money with this feature.

Hope this helps you out



R.I.P. Vile Rat
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-07-03 15:12:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

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You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow


Reporting that the quote button works just fine this side of the reality divide


Didn't realize this. just slightly off topic.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#39 - 2013-07-03 15:12:45 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
@Doc Fury

geesh,

1:05 mark "descent percentage of our user base" use plex to play.

- - - - - - - - - -


You didn't say "decent percentage" in your OP now did you? You said a majority, which means more than 50%.

lol just wow



So, you don't understand what words in English mean either?

lol just wow!

No, you should just go back to WoW.



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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-07-03 15:13:00 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Yea, when majority of the player base is playing for free.



HTFU seriously this is eve and if you cant cut it in this game you dont deserve to play it.

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