EVE General Discussion

The Key to the Entire System/Proposal:

Mining needs to be made less (or preferably NON) bot-friendly. The ideas above would add a lot of activity and variety to the mining profession, which helps.

But to make sure bots would have some trouble, I propose two things:

First, a method of informing the player of the event would need to be generated that the player could see visually, but that would NOT be logged anywhere the bot could read it. I.e. a pop-up message on the screen, but no logging of the message anywhere clientside.

Second, the message would need to be slightly (and randomly) garbled, but only VERY slightly. So players could easily read the pop-up message, but the random replacement of just a few random letters in the message would make bot-reading of the message much harder.

This combination should make it far more difficult for bots to know an event has taken place. The bot would have to be able to “see” the pop-up on the screen and be able to understand it even with random garbling of the message, and still be able to react. If nothing else, it would create (IMO) a lot more work for the bot programmer to make it work.

With that said, I am not a software guy, and I don’t know if the above is possible or would slow down the bots.

But I think the entire proposal would make mining a more interactive, enjoyable and even valuable profession for PvE players to choose. And hopefully, the nature of the new system would make botting it harder, opening up more opportunity for players to enjoy the content without the competition form non-player bot accounts.

I have always liked the idea of making all mining grav sites.

I also like the idea of having to scan the roid and place your lazer on the part of the roid with the highest concentration and move around once it gets low etc. And just have grav sites with a few giant roids instead of a belt.

Miners should also have better tank and combat abilities and the grav sites should be hostile.

Finally make the grav sites random and have a low chance of awesome rocks being found even in high sec to make it exciting to find an awesome site.

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^^ I like it soooo much, a little more work is needed, but great base...
and i think that its simple for implementation.

Resource gathering in any MMO is always going to be tedious and boring. Anything tedious lends itself well to being automated by people who don't want to put up with the tedium.

Ban the botters, don't punish those who are willing to put the time in to gather materials as a way of relaxation rather then going out and pew-pewing.

(And moving all ore into grav sites would suck hard unless they make the sites more plentiful and put more then a few hundred thousand m3 into a single site. Grav sites with less then 300k m3 of ore in them are a waste of time, and they need to have a minimum of 500-800k m3 to be worth the effort of getting everyone into the site.)

Well with the winter expansion the theme seems to be small but really cool changes. If ya want mining changes soon be best to keep it or so.

I like maybe bigger cargo bay for that. Mining already has all T2 modules and ships already so that is harder. Maybe easier meta 4 MLU.


My long term idea (I see alot of long term ideas so far). Would be like a renter station. Could rent an industrial from a station that goes out with you. Players could even build the haulers then place them in the renting station. Then also recieve a small profit when somone rents out that hauler.

The second option is a terrible idea, which CCP clearly agrees with.

How many days must a pod pilot wait, before he gets a yes or no?

What this game needs is logi support that can INCREASE your existing EHP. Not just repair damage, alpha strike makes that pointless. But if you had logistics that say would overload your shield or harden your armor with some sort of physics defying beam then this would indirectly make soft ships harder targets with the proper support. It would also help defend other things from alpha strikes since they would need to bring more and more, making it less cost effective. There would of course have to be tactics and counter-measures to it as well like ECMing the logi ship or killing it first but it would give the defenders an actual ability to defend, and not just retaliate which I believe is really pointless.

If you fly to protect a ship you should be able to actually protect it, so EHP increasing logi ships would be useful.

That is awesome but I think they would have to make something which miners can do semi-afk (keep ice mining how it is?) because a lot of people do mining because they can read or watch a movie while making a bit of isk. All the bots can go mine ice so everyone knows where to go to gank them and they can keep pos/cap fuel nice and cheap.

If you just had to target the laser at the g-spot similar to PI when you started on roid..that would be a pretty good compromise.

Command ships already do this.