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CCP Games Announces Former EA Executive Sean Decker as Senior Vice President

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Adunh Slavy
#681 - 2013-07-03 20:03:03 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Yes

Ill duel your shuttle in a noob ship any day



Ok, out in low sec, a 0.4 and near a gate. Just let me know when.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#682 - 2013-07-03 20:04:33 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Yes

Ill duel your shuttle in a noob ship any day



Ok, out in low sec, a 0.4 and near a gate. Just let me know when.



Sweet


Ill bring my cyno then :D

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Adunh Slavy
#683 - 2013-07-03 20:05:42 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Ill bring my cyno then :D


Shocked

Poor shuttle

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#684 - 2013-07-03 20:06:00 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

It's all micro transaction even if the exact system is different. The publisher see something the player want and they provide it. CCP killed 2 birds with one stone at the same time so congrats to them but it does not change the fact that it's a micro transaction scheme. Not all micro transaction method are evil per say.


No one is saying all micro transactions are evil, though some are pretty silly ... hats, pets? Whatever. Fools and their money. When people mention micro-transactions in eve as a bad thing, they are referring to pay-to-win type things. Granted language gets abused on forums, but it is important to be mindful of context at all times.

Now if you want to claim PLEX is pay to win, by someone having the ability to get ISK, that is somewhat correct, but as pointed out, an equal advantage is provided to not only the person who used the PLEX in game to pay for sub time, but it has other impacts on the economy as well. Since we know RMT would be worse with out PLEX, PLEX is, as stated, a necessary evil.

So, in the future, when you see someone mention MTs as a bad thing, know they are also using language badly and are more than likely referring to Golden Ammo and Pay to Win. Not hats, pets and other silly vanity.


Except most people assume micro transaction from EA will take the form of pay to win wich has yet to be proven to be the case in all thier implementation. I know they did it in BF : Heroes but as of now, it's the only game where I saw actual pay to win micro transaction and they got roated for it because the game is a failure now.

The sims? Can you even win at that game? How do you pay to win if you can't win?

BF3 ? MOAR sidegrade weapons and equipement other people will enver be able to use against you unless you also bought the DLC because you can't join thier server if you didn't buy it.

Sim City? It was a failure since day 1 anyway and I am not aware of any pay to win items for sale.

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#685 - 2013-07-03 20:06:58 UTC
PvE games are more attractive than PvP games. Imagine what may happen if there will be decent PvE spaceships sandbox on the market - how many subs will be lost in EVE?

Color me unsurprized CCP hired a guy who said "I see the world as a microtransaction" - 18 months prior to Star Citizen release.

P.S. Welcome aboard, Sean! I hope you'll be able to deliver better updates than a minesweeper with loot spill.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#686 - 2013-07-03 20:08:58 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Ill bring my cyno then :D


Shocked

Poor shuttle


Maybe you can speed tank in your shuttle whatever hot drop you from that cyno...

Maybe...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#687 - 2013-07-03 20:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Lipbite wrote:
PvE games are more attractive than PvP games. Imagine what may happen if there will be decent PvE spaceships sandbox on the market - how many subs will be lost in EVE?


Not counting the X series?


Also, in what way is a computer opponent a more attractive proposition than a real person?



Easier?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Adunh Slavy
#688 - 2013-07-03 20:28:04 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.


I doubt anyone would disagree with those sorts of things. Though on a side note, I think there is more upside into doing that a different way, but that's another matter.

Frostys Virpio wrote:

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.


Yep, and no one is too concerned about vanity items, with the caveat that $1000 pants deserve all the ridicule they receive, along with the space chavs that wear them. That too is a different matter.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Zacoros Tandar
Doomheim
#689 - 2013-07-03 20:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Zacoros Tandar
Frostys Virpio wrote:
[quote=Frostys Virpio]

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.


So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#690 - 2013-07-03 20:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Please do not encourage MT in any form. k thanks.
Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#691 - 2013-07-03 20:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mathrin
Zacoros Tandar wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
[quote=Frostys Virpio]

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.


So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.



Your sub is worth exactly the same as mine. Which is why we both have to pay the same amount to paint our mega.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#692 - 2013-07-03 20:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Mathrin wrote:
Zacoros Tandar wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
[quote=Frostys Virpio]

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.


So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.





Your sub is worth exactly the same as mine. Which is why we both have to pay the same amount to paid our mega.



I am quite sure a 10 x IS Boxers account is worth more than your 1 acccount.

One cannot argue math, except with math itself.


This is also CCP's Achilles heel :) As I am sure we will see soon™ a la Incarna :)
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#693 - 2013-07-03 20:46:58 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Hate EA for real things, not made up BS.



SimCity 2013 /thread

Micro transaction everything on a broken game.



Because PLEX is not a micro transaction right? Let's see.

Pay real $$$

Recive in game item you can use for various function.

I wonder what's missing for it to be a micro transaction.


Has a point.

As soon as PLEX entered the game, it opened the door for it. Yes, it helped to deter selling ISK, but it's now a form of the very thing it tried to prevent...players buying ISK, just like F2P games do it with selling ingame gold.


Can't really speak for other games so my statements are based off an assumption. AFAIK in other games when a player purchases in game currency, the benefit is only between that player and the company. In fact, it serves to devalue everyone else's purchasing power, especially the f2p players since they put effort behind the currency they earn and the bought currency comes from a faucet.

Plex, on the otherhand, while enabling a sort of P2W model that allows more affluent players to avoid the grind, does not magically create isk. The benefits are multifaceted: More than one player benefits from plex as well as the company. And, it's a tradeable commodity which benefits other players without destroying it's primary use.

AFAIK, plex is a more unique form of MT that benefits more than just the company and the purchaser.

Don't ban me, bro!
Solomunio Kzenig
Incursions Missions and Mining
#694 - 2013-07-03 20:58:25 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:




You're equivocating, if it is on purpose or ignorance, I don't yet know.

The 'Micro-Transactions' no one wants, and what the summer of rage was mostly about, would be more precisely termed as 'Golden Ammo'.

PLEX, its core function, being sold on the in-game market and used for subscription time, is a neccisary evil as a way to combat RMT, and in this role it does its job well. It does give some advantage to those who purchase it, but this is offset by, not only the advantage it gives to someone who buys it for ISK, but that it does not take away anything from the sandbox. It in fact added to the sandbox. Someone had to go out and take some risk to earn that ISK, the velocity of ISK is increased, and there are more people running around in Eve. From a core functionality perspective, PLEX adds more to Eve than it takes away.

Golden Ammo on the other hand does not add anything. Instead of someone mining, researching and making something, golden ammo just magicly poofs that item into existance. Now one had to work for it, scam for it, mine for it, haul for it, get ganked for it and whine on the forums for it.

There is only one thing that has a real value in Eve, and that thing is time. Any magicly created items, that do not consume player time to create, are evil and should die in a fire.


^^This, so much this
Josef Djugashvilis
#695 - 2013-07-03 21:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
If this new chap is going to suggest any type of F2P, dumbing down Eve to the point where I can understand it, and that class of thing, I hope he does so before July 10 so I can cancel my annual sub and not be here when Eve does,,,well, decline shall we say.

On the bright side, he may come up with some new marketing ideas etc which could generate more income for CCP.

Let him have DUST and do or not do whatever he feels like doing to it.

This is not a signature.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#696 - 2013-07-03 21:05:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If this new chap is going to suggest any type of F2P, dumbing down Eve to the point where I can understand it, and that class of thing, I hope he does so before July 10 so I can cancel my annual sub and not be here when Eve does,,,well, decline shall we say.

On the bright side, he may come up with some new marketing ideas etc which could generate more income for CCP.

Let him have DUST and do or not do whatever he feels like doing to it.



I agree... give him the future of EVe ... erm... CCP
Adunh Slavy
#697 - 2013-07-03 21:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Zacoros Tandar wrote:

So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.


From my perspective, I'm with you on this. But we also have recognize that door is already opened by the CQ (with a door that will not open ... anyway) and Aurum. As much as we may not like it, it is here and not going away.

We however might be able to encourage CCP to find other ways to implement this kinda stuff. Instead of a 'gold scorp' they have a gold scorp BPC that a player buys with aurum. The BPC requires a regular scorp and 50 million units of precious metals from PI.

Not sure that was clear: Player buys BPC for aurum, then has to build vanity version of thing with extra in-game materials, including regular version of thing.


They can do vanity stuff and do it in a way that creates more player opportunity at the same time. This sort of vanity, that consumes production from the Eve economy, would be a good thing. The other side of the broken window has far too much production just sitting in cans and wallets with nothing to do. Consuming some of it with vanity might be helpful.

This does not exactly answer your question directly, but by indirect means, by making vanity not only consume RL wealth but also consume in-game wealth, you as an individual, would have the opportunity to profit from someone else's vanity by giving you more to do in the game, and thus make your subscription more valuable.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#698 - 2013-07-03 21:55:23 UTC
EA is evil.
This was already known 20 years ago.

Remember Elizabeth and Abraham.


Quote:
"Ultima designer and Origin co-founder Richard "Lord British" Garriott even worked an EA reference into Ultima VII (1992). Two high-profile nonplayer characters, Elizabeth and Abraham, perform seemingly helpful tasks for the player - but E. and A. turn out to be murderers in league with the player's nemesis, the Guardian. The three items that power the Guardian's evil generators are a cube, a sphere and a tetrahedron - the former EA logo."

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#699 - 2013-07-03 22:03:17 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
PvE games are more attractive than PvP games. Imagine what may happen if there will be decent PvE spaceships sandbox on the market - how many subs will be lost in EVE?


Star Citizen is said to be PvE based (probably with consensual PvP, as even PvErs like to rumble every once in a while). Too early to say if it will offer anything really new but nice animations (the cockpit of the ships is fantastic). I like the "lived in" look, working hangers and busy cockpits. Makes the game more interactive, right down to getting into the ships. EvE has more possibilities in that regard as our ships have dozens for crews. For that Ubisoft's Silent Hunter style of managing crews would be sweet. Better crews = better outcomes (captain's training = more skilled crews).

So many ideas out there, so little time.

Now back to usual programming (sigh).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#700 - 2013-07-03 22:33:32 UTC
Zacoros Tandar wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
[quote=Frostys Virpio]

What I see potentially coming as new microtransaction in EVE is ship skins and ship model. Burn a plex and you Navy Megathron is now purple for example. It created nothing in game and didn't give you any advantage beside being a more shiny KM. Burn a PLEX and your Rokh have the exact same stats but the look of a CONCORD BS. Feel free to scare people or sell your white Rokh on the market. Still no advantage while also creating a possible revenue stream. Nothing wrong with different pixels working the exact same way.

You don't want to be nickel and dimed, don't be nickel and dimed. Nothing is unavailable to you as far as gameplay goes and with the amount of destruction going on in EVE, most skins/model would not last all that long anyway.


So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.


Your sub fee is not worth less it's worth the exact same thing. If any player wants more, then THEY have to spend more. Also remember that 1- everything is destructible in EVE so most of those things would potentially have a short life span. Who would not want to harvest extra tears for the same kill by also denying a special model/skin? 2- All stuff in EVE is also tradable. You could at some point get your hands on such "modded" ship because everybody know that each player has his price in ISK. People could try to sell such modded ships on the marget for a pretty penny thus still making you have access if you are ready to pay the market price for a collection item.

The BPO/BPC to be used to create skin and such could also apply to this emthod in a more deep way of course. Making the economy of the game work with such items could generate new market for people to settle in and profit from. They could sell BPC for missile glowing red for all I care as long as the effective stats on anything sold through this system are un-affected, then the balance is never really broken and the fact that you can put pretty much everything on the market make it so it's accessible.

The usage of real money to get the BPO/BPC in the first place only emulate the purchase of PLEX to fund a BPO/BPC purchase already in game.