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CCP Games Announces Former EA Executive Sean Decker as Senior Vice President

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Enyeto Perah
#561 - 2013-07-03 13:02:23 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
I wonder how long it will take until the same happens to EVE... I give it about 2 years, then it will be infected with the EA cancer...


You'll Never Leave Though


I left World of Warcraft with Burning Crusade, and I have no problem leaving EVE.

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#562 - 2013-07-03 13:04:06 UTC
Enyeto Perah[:evil: wrote:
EvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvil




Normally, I take nothing to do with life outside EvE


But I REALLY hate pointless suits of all kinds


You have my aggs

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#563 - 2013-07-03 13:05:43 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
"Flushed with pride"



I would hope you CSM members are vocal about this hire and relay the players concerns that he will turn EVE into a microtranscation themepark. If he does intorduce microtransactions have fun playing by yourself.


Believe me, CCP are well aware that P2W MTs are a bad, bad, bad idea.

And we will remind them.


This guy and guys that worked for him ruined a lot of games that a lot of people love, and didn't listen to the players while they cried about him doing it.

Whats to make us think that he wont do the same thing here?


Like seriously, if they had gone and hired ****** people would generally be less pissed, he's the AIDS of the gaming world, and we hate him already, before he started fumbling around in our game.


There is literally nothing this guy or CCP can say to sell this guy as not a gigantic sack of ****, this is one of the worst things they could have done.


If he comes up with stupid, destructive MT proposals, CCP will be told clearly and strongly what the consequences will be. It'll then be up to CCP to decide whether they like our advice or not. As has so often been said, the CSM can't force CCP to do (or not do) anything.

If happens that way, it happens, and we say "that's a damb shame" go play something else.

Let's wait till it actually happens before running around in circles screaming and yelling and pissing our pants, eh?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#564 - 2013-07-03 13:08:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Let's wait till it actually happens before running around in circles screaming and yelling and pissing our pants, eh?


Already too late for some.

Yaay!!!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#565 - 2013-07-03 13:11:01 UTC
the clearest posible message you can send to CCP that you want to keep EVE MT free is to contract me your stuff.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#566 - 2013-07-03 13:13:56 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:

Why would you have anything to do with anybody from that company? Like I have no idea anything about the guy but the fact that you've hired him at all makes me wonder if EVE will remain worth playing.


Seriously? You know nothing about him but you know he's the wrong person for the job?

Some of you guys have a seriously deranged relationship to this game. The people who made EVE are the ones who hired this guy. You did not actually make EVE. You just think you did. I really don't care who CCP hires. If for some reason this game tanks, my life will be fine.

Honestly, why do so many people here think that every time CCP makes a decision, the players of EVE get to vote on it? If it's because you're so connected to the game (the nice way to put it), then maybe you need to rethink the connection.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#567 - 2013-07-03 13:15:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
the clearest posible message you can send to CCP that you want to keep EVE MT free is to contract me your stuff.




Please don't get me wrong



Im not from the "I hate this man, I want him gone" crowd or the "CCP Mintchip Hateclub"


I don't care who people are, I don't work for CCP's HR department, I don't get a say and I accept that


But I just don't like pointless roles that's all



Im sure he will be paid a fortune to actually do nothing




Call me an Occupy New Eden anti-capitalism hippy if you like, but spending thousands of real monies on what amounts to a chair warmer just isn't good business in any industry

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#568 - 2013-07-03 13:17:44 UTC
What do you know about his responsibilities?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#569 - 2013-07-03 13:19:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
What do you know about his responsibilities?



Nothing! Because no one tells me what they are!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Enyeto Perah
#570 - 2013-07-03 13:21:08 UTC
You had several replies telling you what his job is!

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#571 - 2013-07-03 13:22:14 UTC
Enyeto Perah wrote:
You had several replies telling you what his job is!



Yes, but not what his responsibilities are




According to those replies, his job is to read the forums, find out what people want and tellt he devs to do it



This does not seem at all likely and is also not exactly a real job

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#572 - 2013-07-03 13:22:55 UTC
If the alternative is a Pay-To-Win microtransaction pushing, you-can-take-the-man-out-of-EA-but-not-EA-out-of-the-man, playerbase ignoring bad ideas factory then I absolutely hope he is just a pointless chairwarmer
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#573 - 2013-07-03 13:24:07 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Welcome Sean Decker to CCP and the Eve Online world. If you read this thread you will no doubt notice some very strong opinions about your employment history. Take note of this. The player base of Eve is passionate, opinionated and despite our in game efforts to make ourselves look like knuckle dragging reprobates with low sloping foreheads, we are actually generally at the higher end of the gamer skill, intelligence, experience and age. Many of us have long memories of games long past. If you do not take note of the history of Eve Online, if you repeat the mistakes of the past, then watch us do what we the player base did before.

Consider this a welcome, not warm, not cold, but a wake up call to the world you have stepped into.

Best of luck, I think you will need it.


This is so hilarious. We are the elite gamers in the universe. We are the best. Where's your proof that one word of this is true? If I were this guy reading this crap I would hoot. This is certainly who you think you are but it's not who you look like on this thread. This guy has likely dealt with enough ego-inflated gamers to know better than to believe this horse manure.
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#574 - 2013-07-03 13:26:03 UTC
There is a bit of irony in this thread, and response to Sean joining the dev ranks.

CCP is one of the few remaining game developers with respect for their customers.

They have proven this in many way during the last 10 years. They actually engage the playerbase and listen.

They are however also a business and if you want to play in the big boys game, where CCP seem to be trending with their now impressive trackrecord, then you need someone punching in the same weight-class.

New Eden is growing. Its now 3 actual parts with a lot of space to grow even bigger.

WoD is a potentially HUGE market, and needs a lot of perfecting, to not fall for the flaws of the genre (faux-mmos)

What I think is vital is to have someone like Sean to help figuring out how to market in the current competition.

In short how do CCP get into these markets without breaking their model, the hearts of their playerbase and their investors portfolios.

This is possible and we will get something mindblowing, and postive, but its still ccp they are becoming famous for doing everything drunken-master style.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#575 - 2013-07-03 13:38:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
]This does not seem at all likely and is also not exactly a real job


It is a real job. It's a producer's job to streamline production. They direct so the others can do their jobs.

Also, CCP needs a community manager like WoW or EQII has, because devs banning or closing threads look b-a-d. When I see that here I see small company, so small the devs that's suppose to be working on stuff are managing forums, instead. That's not what devs are suppose to be doing. Sure post here and there, but not actively managing the forum itself.

As the saying goes, you need to spend money to make money in business. Professionalism and the image of it counts. Look what Blizzard does when a dev posts. No mistaking it's a dev, the text is blue and it has a fancy background. That shows polish and projects an image of professionalism, like an office letterhead.

And this guy will probably tell them about these things to get them squared away, and getting their office running like the big boys.

There's a lot stuff to do and organization is key. Blizzard has top production values, no one denies that. Their gameplay decisions though, they need another team!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#576 - 2013-07-03 13:40:42 UTC
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/02/ccps-sean-decker-and-hilmar-petursson-on-the-future-of-eve-dus/

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
#577 - 2013-07-03 13:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaura Aquila
Caleb Ayrania wrote:


What I think is vital is to have someone like Sean to help figuring out how to market in the current competition.

In short how do CCP get into these markets without breaking their model, the hearts of their playerbase and their investors portfolios.

This is possible and we will get something mindblowing, and postive, but its still ccp they are becoming famous for doing everything drunken-master style.



So, in essence you are saying something like how some firms interested in security will hire people like Kevin Mitnick to help them because he actually did bad things so he would know how to deal with that stuff? I guess that's one way to do it. Oh and Wernher Von Braun and NASA is another good example :)
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#578 - 2013-07-03 13:48:21 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Incarna was only an issue because of the difference between what was originally offered, and what was delivered...not,as some people claim, because no one wanted WiS.

People wanted, and still want WiS, we just didnt get it, we got a single room to sit and upload videos into, which is cool and all, but its not WiS.

On topic: I am on crappy laptop, so cant open a bazillion links, but, unless he was the guy who was personally responsible for the EA messes in the past, it is not an issue for me where he worked before.

sorry but i think you are wrong.


most eve player don't want WiS.

i play eve to play internet spaceships, not space SIMS, and i absolutely don't give a F about it.


now, incarna was bad because of WiS for many for this reason.
it was also bad for the players (wich is a minority imaho) who wanted WiS, you described the reason yourself pretty well.

but mot of all, the riots took place because of the whole MT thingy that gone public at this time.

back on topic, i really don't like this, i know too well how many games EA crushed to death lately, some of them being handled by this person
listen to the player base to improve games? seriously? look whee we are with odyssey: CCP ignored SISI feedback, still ignoring feedback / issues.

now how this new employee would be better at that, especially when one know how he "listened" to the C&C player base....

this is not good for EvE, thus for us.

i might be wrong (and i honnestly hope i am), but i give 1 or 2 years max before EvE online to catch the "EA Cancer"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#579 - 2013-07-03 13:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
]This does not seem at all likely and is also not exactly a real job


It is a real job. It's a producer's job to streamline production. They direct so the others can do their jobs.



He doesn't make anything


He doesn't come up with ideas about what should be made


He doesn't prototyope or brainstorm anything


This role is meaningless

It was created by people like him to give people like him a cushy job where they can seem so damn important and get paid a lot to tell people who actually have skills and talent what to do. It is utterly utterly purposeless and unnecessary

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#580 - 2013-07-03 13:50:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
]This does not seem at all likely and is also not exactly a real job


It is a real job. It's a producer's job to streamline production. They direct so the others can do their jobs.



He doesn't make anything


He doesn't come up with ideas about what should be made


He doesn't prototyope or brainstorm anything


This role is meaningless


It's a pity you didn't get in touch with CCP and offer to do that nothing for half the salary.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016