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CCP Games Announces Former EA Executive Sean Decker as Senior Vice President

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Melana Emmagan
Holloway Heavy Industries
#461 - 2013-07-03 07:28:03 UTC
Zane Tekitsu wrote:

I find your idea of good C&C disturbing...


My bad, confused TT with TW. That makes at least one horrible, ruined game franchise on his list. If he ever flies around in EVE I might have to pod him after all...
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#462 - 2013-07-03 07:29:13 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Well, the good news.....and I never thought I'd say this.....Hilmar is still in charge.


Bad news....CCP could be positioning for acquisition.


i rather think that yes hilmar is still in charge but...even tho he want us to think he is given up on F2P and gold ammo(see this years fanfest) the thruth imo is that he still wants it but he doesnt want people to blame him when it all blows up in his face.

what do you do next you hire a scapegoat if it goes wrong and you blame him and here the EA guy comes in.

hilmar never gave up on the greed is good.
Jove Angel
Doomheim
#463 - 2013-07-03 07:30:43 UTC
\o/ yay hire mintchip Blink

\o/ yay hire former ea boss What?

\o/ yay were F$%^&&D Shocked

\o/ then again EvE will now be full of strippers money grabbing W£$%^&rs Bear

Sounds like a normal day in the sandbox Big smileBig smile

And then it happened. Massive, eerily green blasts erupted from seemingly nowhere, and an Amarrian Apocalypse went up in flames.  "It was a Jovian Mother ship".
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#464 - 2013-07-03 07:34:07 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:

Actually, Maxis made The Sims before EA bought them out, and were successful before the buyout (my original The Sims game is Maxis).


Nope. Your original Sims game is Maxis because EA let them keep the brand and logo. EA acquired them when they were still working on SimCity 2000.


And Sims 3 has zero brand and logo today.

BF3 has the DICE logo to this day. Same as before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4wEAO07hM

Yeah, true podding

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#465 - 2013-07-03 07:34:08 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Introduce him to General Discussion forums :)

Could get interesting :)


I should start selling boots with built in guns pointed towards the wearer.

Lets see how Fearless he is :)

Shortly after I made this thread I tweeted it to him saying he was already causing a stir. I did wish him GL with the job as well, reading this thread it seems he has a lot to prove in that he's not of the EA mindset.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#466 - 2013-07-03 07:36:23 UTC
coolzero wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Well, the good news.....and I never thought I'd say this.....Hilmar is still in charge.


Bad news....CCP could be positioning for acquisition.


i rather think that yes hilmar is still in charge but...even tho he want us to think he is given up on F2P and gold ammo(see this years fanfest) the thruth imo is that he still wants it but he doesnt want people to blame him when it all blows up in his face.


Because it works...

http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/frontpage/landingPage

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#467 - 2013-07-03 07:45:20 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
coolzero wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Well, the good news.....and I never thought I'd say this.....Hilmar is still in charge.


Bad news....CCP could be positioning for acquisition.


i rather think that yes hilmar is still in charge but...even tho he want us to think he is given up on F2P and gold ammo(see this years fanfest) the thruth imo is that he still wants it but he doesnt want people to blame him when it all blows up in his face.


Because it works...

http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/frontpage/landingPage



I've played F2P games, which aren't actually free of course although they're subscription free.


The greed of the companies mixed in with the stupidity of the customers does actually mean the companies can earn more money with a F2P model when compared to a subscription based model.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#468 - 2013-07-03 07:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Six Six Six wrote:
The greed of the companies mixed in with the stupidity of the customers does actually mean the companies can earn more money with a F2P model when compared to a subscription based model.


Only really works for small games. And only because they don't have enough humans paying.

Get to WoW size, a company can profit handsomely solely on the subscription model, and selling cosmetics. If a star pony can get a company 25 million dollars the next day...literally...who needs the inconsistency of micro transactions?

If CCP sold a golden pod for $25 with say 1 million subscribers and but 100,000 bought it, that's a cool 2,500,000 right off the bat and on top of subs. But if they had 3 million subscribers and sold 1 million golden pods...see?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#469 - 2013-07-03 07:49:10 UTC
Interesting.

So CCP spends several years adding game features that never get fully developed. WiS, NEX Store, ship painting, etc. All of the stuff sort of "on the back burner".

Now they hire a top level guy from a much loathed game company to oversee game development.

Seems a lot like fattening the calf. Sweetening the deal. etc.

Would be ironically fitting if, in the end, CCP ganks the entire playerbase.

Profit favors the prepared
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#470 - 2013-07-03 07:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Evei Shard wrote:
Interesting.

So CCP spends several years adding game features that never get fully developed. WiS, NEX Store, ship painting, etc. All of the stuff sort of "on the back burner".


No funds to develop it.

Avenues they wanted to implement to get the cash rolling in to pay for development, the FREE PLAY players screamed to high hell.

They have only so many players (that are human that pay) to bank on, and if 1/4 at least are PLEXing itself, see why things are on the backburner?

See how an expansion is released that has less content than WoW has in a patch, too?

50,000,000 dollars in 2008 to release an AAA title. 500k players who if they all bought 1 PLEX a month, still can't finance an expansion on itself, and keep up with the patches.

WoW? It makes over 125,000,000 a month on subscriptions alone.

Pure dollars and cents.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#471 - 2013-07-03 07:56:40 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
The greed of the companies mixed in with the stupidity of the customers does actually mean the companies can earn more money with a F2P model when compared to a subscription based model.


Only really works for small games. And only because they don't have enough humans paying.

Get to WoW size, a company can profit handsomely solely on the subscription model, and selling cosmetics. If a star pony can get a company 25 million dollars the next day...literally...who needs the inconsistency of micro transactions?




If there was an F2P game with the same amount of customers as WoW the F2P model is likely to out perform the subscription model.

Of course if you compare a subscription based model with 8.4 million subscribers with an F2P model with just 800K players the subscription model will out perform the F2P model. So you can't compare it that way.
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#472 - 2013-07-03 07:59:51 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
coolzero wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Well, the good news.....and I never thought I'd say this.....Hilmar is still in charge.


Bad news....CCP could be positioning for acquisition.


i rather think that yes hilmar is still in charge but...even tho he want us to think he is given up on F2P and gold ammo(see this years fanfest) the thruth imo is that he still wants it but he doesnt want people to blame him when it all blows up in his face.


Because it works...

http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/frontpage/landingPage



it works for some games...it may get you money at first for eve but not before loosing a large chunk of veteran eve players(those who also have a lot of accounts), me included.

and im not saying microtransaction is bad i dont care if they sell a 50$ pants or sexy underwear for you dolly but it usualy doesnt end there becuase the real money is in gold ammo(aka everything that gives you a better edge with fighting then your "poor" players.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#473 - 2013-07-03 08:00:34 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
I agree that MMO is not a genre, but it's silly to say that EVE and WoW are not in direct competition. It's not like people have a genre and they only play games in that genre and nothing else.


EVE and WoW are not in direct competition. There are many more players who want to play swords & sorcery style games than spaceship combat games. People do choose games by genre, I have friends who very distinctly fall into the categories of "FPS gamer" and "fantasy roleplayer" in terms of the genres of games that they play.

It is silly to think that someone who enjoys gear-grind fantasy PvE would like EVE Online just because EVE is another MMO.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#474 - 2013-07-03 08:03:40 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Interesting.

So CCP spends several years adding game features that never get fully developed. WiS, NEX Store, ship painting, etc. All of the stuff sort of "on the back burner".


No funds to develop it.

Avenues they wanted to implement to get the cash rolling in to pay for development, the FREE PLAY players screamed to high hell.

They have only so many players (that are human that pay) to bank on, and if 1/4 at least are PLEXing itself, see why things are on the backburner?

See how an expansion is released that has less content than WoW has in a patch, too?


I'm saying that there was never any intention to put them on the front burner in the first place. To me it seems more like they are trying to set Eve up as a one-click pay-to-profit for any game company willing to buy.

All the guts of the features are in place, they are just dormant, waiting for someone to add content to them. Avatar mechanics, virtual rooms, microtransactions, all of it.
It may be that CCP never intended to go further than where we are right now with these things. They just added them to add investment value to any potential buyer.

Profit favors the prepared
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#475 - 2013-07-03 08:04:34 UTC
My guess is that Eve will stay subscription based until the player numbers dwindle to a point that making it F2P would have the potential for enough income to keep it afloat.

I'm also guessing that the hiring of this individual is more geared towards salvaging DUST (currently F2P) and quite possibly World Of Darkness (wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be F2P).

Turning Eve in F2P would take a major overhaul to ensure that micro transactions could substantiate the operating costs as well as turn a profit.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#476 - 2013-07-03 08:04:54 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
If there was an F2P game with the same amount of customers as WoW the F2P model is likely to out perform the subscription model.


No.

If you brought F2P to WoW, it's dead (because all the games that tried to beat WoW are F2P now...SWTOR and RIFT included). Only GW2 doesn't, as it operates on buying the box and selling cosmetics, like FPS games.

In WoW think, F2P = failed game.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#477 - 2013-07-03 08:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Evei Shard wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Interesting.

So CCP spends several years adding game features that never get fully developed. WiS, NEX Store, ship painting, etc. All of the stuff sort of "on the back burner".


No funds to develop it.

Avenues they wanted to implement to get the cash rolling in to pay for development, the FREE PLAY players screamed to high hell.

They have only so many players (that are human that pay) to bank on, and if 1/4 at least are PLEXing itself, see why things are on the backburner?

See how an expansion is released that has less content than WoW has in a patch, too?


I'm saying that there was never any intention to put them on the front burner in the first place. To me it seems more like they are trying to set Eve up as a one-click pay-to-profit for any game company willing to buy.

All the guts of the features are in place, they are just dormant, waiting for someone to add content to them. Avatar mechanics, virtual rooms, microtransactions, all of it.
It may be that CCP never intended to go further than where we are right now with these things. They just added them to add investment value to any potential buyer.


And that's because there's no consistent money in it to develop them.

It's why EvE's expansions also has less offered than a WoW patch.

Case in example EvE Odyssey expansion brought Exploration and some resource changes, some extra ships.

5.4 in WoW (a patch) notes so far...

http://www.wowhead.com/news=215680/5-4-ptr-patch-notes-updated-july-1st

Gear so far noticed...

http://ptr.wowhead.com/search?q=date%3A2013-06-27

Content...

http://ptr.wowhead.com/latest-additions

Build it and they will come.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
#478 - 2013-07-03 08:08:47 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
"We'll watch what they do, not what they say."


Getting ready to abandon Ship.


What were they thinking, like we the players would welcome this EA guy with open arms and totally not panic.
Nothing good can come from this.

If you hire someone like him you start your official announcement with "Guys don't panic, hes just here to finish off dust"
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#479 - 2013-07-03 08:15:51 UTC
EA is the worst example of a gaming company, and its literally known for being garbage, garbage largely created by its management.

Why would you have anything to do with anybody from that company? Like I have no idea anything about the guy but the fact that you've hired him at all makes me wonder if EVE will remain worth playing.


Do yourself a favor, tell him you changed your mind, shuffle his ass off to whatever gaming company he's going to ruin next and save yourself the damage control you'll have to do later.


Or don't, you know, I'm sure your company will do well when he destroys your one good product to focus on some ****** new product that nobody cares about.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#480 - 2013-07-03 08:17:00 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
If there was an F2P game with the same amount of customers as WoW the F2P model is likely to out perform the subscription model.


No.

If you brought F2P to WoW, it's dead (because all the games that tried to beat WoW are F2P now...SWTOR and RIFT included). Only GW2 doesn't, as it operates on buying the box and selling cosmetics, like FPS games.

In WoW think, F2P = failed game.




GW2 also sells gems, their version of PLEX except there's no subscriptions to use them on but you can still sell them on the player market for gold.

All the failed games that went to F2P that I've played still had a subscription method and the F2P part was limited. At least the last time I checked.