Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would think of CONCORD simply as the police. They're there to enforce the laws, yes, but they don't have any obligation to protect you. Matter of fact, if you try to protect yourself in highsec, CONCORD might very well tag YOU as the criminal, and you get to say 'bye bye' to your ship for your effort. Do you want to say 'bye bye' to an expensive mining barge, and take that as a total loss? Not me! I'm a freelance industrialist. I'm not that rich!

Get insurance. The more, the better. Run if you can. Die if you must. If you got the cash, slap a bounty on the ganker. Just be prepared to accept losses in the search for profit.

But in my honest opinion, as far as the mining aspect goes, the larger threat to me is not the suicide gankers. It's the AFK miners and bots. If there's no rocks, then there's no money, and no materials for manufacturing ****. I can only get so much for ratting, and salvage, and it's barely a pittance, which leaves me planetary materials and a lot of hauling stuff around to fall back on. Otherwise, I'm hauling rock out of lowsec just to keep things going. If the New Order is willing to come my way to clean that mess up, I'm more than willing to buy a mining permit, and I'll even join in on the bumping if I'm bored enough.

Just yesterday, I lost a Venture in lowsec to rats while off being stupid. Good thing those boats are cheap, though. Besides, I feel that it's good and healthy to be slapped in the face once in a while. It keeps you from sinking into complacency, and going soft.

Stop putting up fences in my sandbox!

OP, Word of advice - if you're going to produce a terrible idea and put it on the EVE-O forums for review, expect to have it mocked and laughed at. If you cannot stomach the 'trolls' then whine about hi-sec ganking somewhere else.

Other players in Eve get it. This is a dangerous game full of mean people, and the nice people enjoying the struggle against them. It's fun because that challenge exists. Eve is significant because actions have real measurable consequences. It's niche because that challenge and risk exists throughout the sandbox. You're absolutely right, there are very popular games with kiddie pools. Those games don't have player events that make the news, In those games, player actions are not significant, in those games 'gold farming' is protected by the game from the players. Those games are not significant.

That you rose to a director level of such a large organization with the notion that PVP can be or should be removed from any corner of Eve is laughable. Whoever put you there should reconsider their decision. I'd want my hi-sec mining director to embrace the cruelness of eve, not lobby for it's castration.

It has been stated by CCP OVER and OVER. They want pvp in empire space. They don't want anywhere in eve to be devoid of risk. They want you to die in empire space if you are not paying attention or fitting your ship correctly. Every action in eve has consequences, including autopiloting your freighter without escorts and not fitting a tank capable of fending off it's value in Catalysts.

Concord is not there to protect you, and they never will be. They are there to provide consequences in an OPEN PVP ENVIRONMENT.

PS. Sorry for the caps, but the italics on these forums are hardly noticeable, and those points must be emphasized.

The reality of this is that EVE is a PvP game. There is no way around that. Unlike most PvP-centric games a good portion of the world space is moderately safe from unwanted PvP. CCP will never remove the ability of one player killing another player anywhere in space so long as the player who initiated the engagement is willing to suffer the in game consequences. The entire economy of EVE is based around the concept they we as players are going to blow up stuff. It you take that option off the table, the economy in EVE dies. All those PvE players mining, rating, trading, and building things will no longer have a means of income as the need for the resources they gather and sell will dry up.

If CCP decide that in order to attract more players, they need to make a more safe area of space for them, I imagine they might put more safe guards in place which only exist in very high security areas of space, say 0.9-1.0 systems. Personally as a mostly non-PvP player I feel that space is too safe in general and the relative safety is not in sync with system security ratings.

You already have Concord in high sec, you have sentry guns at gates and stations is high and low sec. What additional safety measures do you think are reasonable, which do not limit what other payers are capable of doing.

A statement of opinion, even as if it were a fact, is not a personal attack.



#1 The forums do not exist in high-sec therefore you are subject to forum PvP.
#2 If you won't stand for it then sit. Grab a chair and quit whining. At least you have the option of standing for it when para/quadriplegics don't.



You missed The Trashcan...



Yeah... Sorry, no, but the first taste I ever got of PvP was when I went low-sec mining after a few weeks of playing. My next taste was when trying to rat in low-sec. I didn't experience high-sec PvP first, I didn't do any "practice" PvP, and those were my first ships lost.

Seven years later I'm still playing. Your idea that new players quitting due to low-sec PvP being a "shock" is refuted by the fact that people have continued and still continue to play after low/null-sec being their first PvP experiences.



I actually I hate PvP "flags" in traditional MMOs. I also hate that you can't gank the d-bags on your own "side/alliance/faction" for acting like d-bags. There have been dozens of times in, for example, World of Warcraft where I almost prayed that some deity would intervene and let me gank the stupid tank, idiot DPS, or incompetent healers. Then there are the people in warfronts in Rift who just sit on the sidelines talking s*** about everyone else on their team, how they all suck and aren't trying and are losers for it, or who are just botting it up for the free PvP rewards, all of whom ought to be killable by everyone on the field and not just the few people on the other team who might get to them.

In comparison to that EVE is awesome.

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I'm a PvP-averse carebear, and I cannot possibly support this idea. EVE provides something relatively unique in the MMO market and destroying that would destroy EVE's uniqueness. Also, I hear that games like Freelancer and X3 provide pretty good experiences for people who want high-sec EVE without PvP.

As a current TEST member.
1 BORT has no mining operation
2 This idea is so REDACTED stupid I have no words.
3 You're all being trolled.

Although I am basically a High Sec only player at the moment...

It's much more fun knowing that "There is some element of risk" to playing the game.
High Sec Ganking is a very fair system, since there is a bit of balance to it.
Any yes, I've had my freighter ganked in Jita, but I haven't since....

Why so serious?