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Eve Devs being moved to try and rescue Dust.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-07-02 14:41:36 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
From the perspective of non-EvE players, the game is just amazingly bad in all the most important areas, starting with the terrible controls and horrendous, overcomplex EvE-esque loadout system that CCP insisted on shackling the game with, and just going downhill from there.


Can say something about EvE in that regard: Spent over 5mins trying to get my ship out of a structure, as it ping ponged through a hole in it, as the waypoint drew it right into the hole in the first place. Got trapped by the tanks inside, then had to find SOME waypoint point out of the hole, so the ship could ping pong out of it.

This ship bouncing off of things is for the birds. Ugh

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Alundil
Rolled Out
#82 - 2013-07-02 14:48:12 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Selling Tinfoil hats !!!

1plex per hat

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

also if tinfoil hats were to be in the game, that would be an epic win :D
also pirate hats! MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP

New mining mini-game, calling it now.

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I'm right behind you
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#83 - 2013-07-02 14:50:10 UTC
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:
uh... from the quotes you had, it doesn't sound like the 'pet project' is in trouble. it sounds like it's doing great and they want to capitalize on that success?



Yes, they would never admit they screwed up.....Lol

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#84 - 2013-07-02 14:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Selling Tinfoil hats !!!

1plex per hat


I'll BUY 2 from NEX... especially the faction TinfoilHAT™ that gives +6% to likes on forums and +10% to EVE is DYING™ threads BearLolBlink
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#85 - 2013-07-02 14:52:57 UTC
Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers...
Roll

Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run.

If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#86 - 2013-07-02 15:01:45 UTC
Sour Jelly wrote:
I think CCP should start making basketball shoes after DUST starts breaking records, along with clothing and accessories for urban youths. They can pick up where Tommy Hilfiger left off.

But NO WiS! That's crazy, remember the statue?


Well, with an ex-EA man's influence, those shoes may be an item you can buy in game soon.
Along with no more patches, just payable DLC's to keep running EVE.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#87 - 2013-07-02 15:01:59 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
- Released decisively average F2P shooter to a dying platform.
- When it didn't perform up to expectations, goes to double down the bet.
- Is CCP

The only thing that might somehow save Dust is if they somehow magically pull PS4 and PC clients out of their hat within the next six months while fixing a ton of stupid away. PS3, while sporting a massive theoretical installed base, is dead. Existing PS3 users are pretty much concentrated on a few SCEJ/SCEA exclusives that have massive budgets and competent PS3-centric dev teams...

PS4 ships in a few months, all the "cool kids" will jump platforms (especially as it ships at such a low price point) and what's left of Dust 514 playerbase will go poof.

They've already said that a PS4 version would not be an obstacle.
Since the bulk of the code is run on the servers, the actual client isn't that difficult to modify for the new platform apparently.

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Sister Sophia
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-07-02 16:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Sophia
Anabella Rella wrote:
They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.


Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing?

Why not just pour all the energy into making EVE absolutely excellent (fixing all the bugs, adding depth, fixing graphics, and so on)? This would keep the old player base -- a good chunk of which is past 30yo, has plenty of money, and doesn't really care for bling. That in turn would pay the bills for CCP and give them a product that would potentially last for ever. New players would come in at a slow and steady rate as the reputation of the game for difficult, intelligent, and mature content spread. EVE could be a real classic.

So why the need to keep expanding on the basis of gee-wizz-bang flash projects?

Thanks in advance for your answer.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#89 - 2013-07-02 16:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zah Damaja
Honestly DUST is the future of the EVE Online Universe.

I mean look at Call of Duty. If CCP were able to emulate CoD for DUST it would be highly successful. They already have the FPS base, it should be easy to push it in that direction.

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Sour Jelly
#90 - 2013-07-02 20:38:27 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Oh noes! I just bought a Cadillac and I demand that GM not loan any of those engineers to Vauxhall to help that division... of the same corporation... so that the entire corporation grows and prospers...
Roll

Some of you people really need to open a book and read about how businesses are run.

If you want Eve to continue then you need to understand that CCP, like any game studio, can't survive on a single (ten year old, by the way) niche game. They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.


What you said doesn't make DUST a better game or a worthwhile investment of anything

A child's lemonade stand is a much better bet. Actually you know, if they started selling Quafe soft drinks that has/had a much larger chance of success than DUST ever did.

People have been saying this is stupid since it was announced years ago and we were right.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#91 - 2013-07-02 20:43:31 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Selling Tinfoil hats !!!

1plex per hat



EA strategy?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-07-02 20:59:27 UTC
Sister Sophia wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
They must diversify and bring new products to market in order to attract new customers. Expecting the company to continue growing and making profits ad infinitum on the back of a single product is dangerously naive.


Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing?


If for anything money.

Businesses are in business to make a profit. They wouldn't exist otherwise.

Plus, they have to stay competitive and relevant in the industry. Otherwise they'll be regarded as AA or even an A game producer.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Short Stack122
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-07-02 20:59:52 UTC
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!

Gaming company takes money it made from one game and used it to develop another! In this unheard of event CCP Games has single handedly overturned the way all companies look at gaming!

more breaking news to come
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-07-02 21:02:51 UTC
Short Stack122 wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!

Gaming company takes money it made from one game and used it to develop another! In this unheard of event CCP Games has single handedly overturned the way all companies look at gaming!

more breaking news to come


What's funny is the norm of hiding a little money in the budget for prototyping. Otherwise they'll have to file for funds for it too, which is a hassle.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-07-02 21:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Sister Sophia wrote:
Dangerously naive question: why do they need to keep growing?

Even if we assume they do need to grow, the bigger problem is that DUST is no answer to this question. You don't "grow" by letting your flagship, cash cow product rot on the vine and betting the farm on a game with a shaky premise, built by people with any abysmal lack of clue about how FPS games work, aimed at a market that you do not understand (or which doesn't even exist . . . take your pick), and competing with established franchises that are decades ahead of you in experience and execution.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-07-02 21:42:40 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
I mean look at Call of Duty. If CCP were able to emulate CoD for DUST it would be highly successful. They already have the FPS base, it should be easy to push it in that direction.

If CCP had any clue how to emulate CoD, they might have a chance. DUST proves with shocking clarity that they do not.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Nijaza
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-07-03 10:20:39 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please ignore the whiners. I appreciate the FPS shooting-in-the-face route you have taken. I also don'd mind your diverting Devs to help Dust grow. Honestly, the two free expansions a year standard you set for yourselves ( and now are held too) has caused many EVE players to expect more new S@#$ and attention then a kid in a candy store. Although I dont play Dust ( barely have time for EVE) I find the idea (and link) awesome.

On a side note, to all the people in this thread who are complaining about Devs being transfered to Dust, or claiming it is a Titanic...consider what you would have CCP do. Abandon it? I'm sure if they took that route there would be whining about that as well.

PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-07-03 11:08:27 UTC
Nijaza wrote:
PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all.


Nooooo.....

CoD isn't what a MMO needs. BF can be (it's team based like a MMO).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-07-03 12:45:49 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Selling Tinfoil hats !!!

1plex per hat



And the microtranactions begin.

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Nijaza
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-07-03 14:56:53 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Nijaza wrote:
PS: Maybe every FPS should just copy COD, that way we could have a freaking great time comparing them all.


Nooooo.....

CoD isn't what a MMO needs. BF can be (it's team based like a MMO).


...if only there was a font that would more clearly show sarcasm

here for the Dusties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqhJqudKOY