EVE General Discussion

A lesson here about game companies and their insistence they can do 2 major projects at the same time:

Blizzard trying to build Titan while still maintaining WoW.

The best staff was moved to Titan after WotLK. 14mil subs are down to 9mil. Why? The "A" team moved to Titan, allowing the "B" to work on WoW.

Blizzard ensured the WoW community nothing would change. If you played WoW since WotLK you'll beg to differ (pandas, an April Fool's joke, now a playable race).

That's the World of Warcraft I Used to Play

Dust for PC.

This is what they should have done at first.

The reason dust will be **** is because the main people who would want to play it (Eve players) who play EVE on a PC need a ******* PS3!

I hope dust dies for this reason alone.

I got mine for $50.

PS3s are cheap as dirt. Hit up E-Bay fool.

Do you know what games have the most potential for the future? The ones that aren't actually good now and that is a big problem, if you want people to play and make money off them. One of the best indicators for a game not really being worth your time at the moment, is when you hear the people defending it talk all about how great it's potential is. This is mostly because there isn't that much actual good in the current game to talk about. This doesn't mean they couldn't end up being right, but it means you're propably better spending your time doing something else for the time being, since you can just come back if that time ever comes.

This is a bit offtopic, but I'll bite: introducing the Pandaren was never WoW's problem. After all, they were part of the lore since The Frozen Throne expansion for Warcraft III - you even had a neutral hero available in multiplayer. For most people WoW was their first real MMO, with many coming over from strategy game line, liking the lore, especially in the lastest installment of that series, Warcraft III. For those players, Arthas was the ultimate bad boss of WoW, not knowing much about Burning Legion, Deathwing and so on. Once WotLK was finished, they would have stayed if the game itself was worth it. However, it just so happened that WotLK was also a fairly poor expansion. After the wild success of TBC which saw WoW subscription numbers skyrocket, Blizzard introduced a weak, easy, unfun expansion that piled problem after problem, saw several rehashes and poorly executed events, which turned the core subscription base away. Cataclysm was an attempt to reverse this, but it was too late - with Arthas, most of those early players could close the chapter, the reason they were playing and they could move on.

Instead of introducing a new villain with a new expansion, not tied to the previous one at all, they'd need to add a "to be continued" story that people would likely follow - but only if the rest of the game was fun to begin with. Back in TBC, it was minigames and random reputation grinds that kept us occupied, the biggest problem with WotLK was that there was nothing to keep you there. During WotLK, most of us grinded old dungeons for rare mounts or similar, which tends to get boring eventually. Whereas a game like EVE generates content by player interaction, WoW doesn't have something like that - but the sad part is, it used to. Back in vanilla (and TBC to an extent), you had to walk to your dungeon. This ment that at any point to your target destination, there were likely to be people trying to stop you - kinda like gate camps in low or null. That generated world pvp, as at these sites you were always likely to find players to engage. Some of the best battles of WoW happened in Blackrock Mountain, at Onyxia's Lair, at popular grinding points like Tyr's Hand or in high level zones like Silithus. Even for pvp zones (battlegrounds), you had to travel to their destination. This all died with dungeon finder, battleground queues and extensive flying. The world turned into nothing more than a leveling zone before the endgame grind took place.

In my opinion, WoW is a perfect example of why a leveling based themepark MMO is inferior to a sandbox design. 90+% of developer's time is wasted on getting you to top level, a time sink of at best a few days or weeks. Meanwhile all that content could have been used to engage a player, to bring new challenges to overcome and new riddles to solve. Take for instance WoW's Mageblade (back in Molten Bore) vs. EVE's Vindicator. At their time, both of these items were immensely powerful. The Mageblade was a pinnacle of mage or warlock weapons, while the Vindicator was the ultimate of close range battleships. Fast forward a couple of years. Mageblade was something like 10% of an easy to get blue weapon at the time I left. Vindicator? Still the king of close range combat. All the content that CCP generated is still useful even to a max skilled player in some way. All the content below max level in WoW? Utterly wasted unless rehashed.

That, my friend, is why Pandas are the least of WoW's problems. If they were introduced in TBC instead of elves, everyone would be praising them. Alas, they came in the time of WoW's twilight and they're taking the blame for the fall that's been preparing for half a decade.

Pfft CCP is not putting hats on the Aurum market untill they get desperate for dollars.

lol dust tops out at 8k per day and tf2 tops out at 70k per day
dust is dead already
dont revive it ccp

and it would be better to fight for planets with tf2 characters

Or the only EU country left with any common sense.

Damn straight!
+1 for in-game tinfoil hats and pirate hats!

Just don't make them tinfoil pirate hats...