EVE General Discussion

This really makes me wonder how hard this is. It's a Jumpfreighter.

Burn the isotopes to jump close to where you need to go. Then fly the few remaining jumps.

Keep an exit cyno handy.

Yes, it's "easy" to gank a JF. It does however have a very viable exit strategy.

Ace I like you but stop talking about Wow. Eve not Wow. Thank god.

No need to bring Wow into it. Ganking is easy. Yes nobody disagrees. WAI. Eve hard cold unfair universe. In RL if Bill Gates goes to Times Square, says 'free money and clean hookers, no catch!', people complain too easy? No.

Eve sandbox RL simulator - difficulty irrelevant. The strong survive. Easy peasy gank big kill peenygrow bragrights fine aok as long as not exploiting.

Complain about boring gameplay not rubbish like risk/reward imbalance. Who cares?

basically anyone who thinks it's too easy has never actually done any freighter ganking and would likely screw up hilariously if they tried it, but even after failing at doing something "easy" they'll just come back and continue saying it's too easy and must be nerfed

Well you would say that, you're in the goomwaffe.

Relevance of Wow example irrelevant. Problem is, when you bang on about Wow all the daylong time, people think you're a tosspot. Not help your argument.

I really like AM rounds. Anti-Matter super cool sci-fi concept. Mmm. But AM's no good against long-range rats with missiles. Using AM not help me win. Hurt me in fact.

Wow is wrong ammo to use in forum pvp. Change ammo, maybe hit more. Savvy?

I'm on your side, but I don't know what you're blathering on about with Divine intervention.

Please don't explain.

I can't grasp the notion of someone having the money to not only buy a JF AND load it with 1.2 billion in assets, but also has no clue how to fly it and apparently has no clue about how this game works.

Did you buy your char or something? Because no seasoned EVE vet would ever complain about this ****.

You don't understand it, but a WoW player who played before all the 4.0.1 changes does (a player you would like in EvE). Part of what I also do is breaking down learning barriers. WoW has over 50% of all MMO players. If EvE ever wants to attract players (and players who remember the old days of gaming) it has to attract them from that source. Plain and simple. EvE has to relate to what they know. Showing EvE as is will be Greek, and at the gate why should they come here if they must start anew?

CCP may not understand it, but it shows relation. Either to not repeat history, or not to reinvent the wheel saving time. It has been done before in a game that is 10x larger. Save your resources or expand and not make the same mistakes.

Players don't understand it, but once they see gaming is a vast domain and offers a lot of possibilities, they will see something that interesting that they would like.

Forums are public. They are open to anyone to read.

I want EvE to succeed, if for anything because I'm paying for it (not playing for free), and it's got to be worth the money. Be it in gameplay, assets, and those little details that show a POLISHED game. To also help remove the public perception of sandbox games, because it needs to be done to attract players. And in this industry, if a game doesn't have the players it doesn't have the money, and without the money...the game doesn't become better, it becomes stagnant. Fastest way for players to leave is that they're bored.

Things on this thread is but an example of it. A player who choses to fly freighters as a "career" is now out of the picture. What will he do in the meantime that is fun to hang around? How long will it take for him to generate billions of ISK to play again? And if he's frustrated about it all, will EvE have a player to replace him if he leaves due to it?

One man's fun, is another man's poison. If the poison can be applied too liberally and easily, can you see how and why it can be a problem now?

First thing I learn has a new player: Never haul alone in low sec and always check Dotmap for recent ship kills before moving from zone to zone.

basic rule in this game I am surprise you play this for 8 years and didn't know that

…ok, and what's the reason everyone else isn't doing it? After all, if it was easy and bountiful in ISK, people should be flocking to it like crazy.

Or are you saying that it's not actually that easy or profitable, since there would be nothing to brag about if it were and since they have to go for such high-yield targets to make ends meet, and that it is an exceedingly rare event that doesn't particularly stop anyone from doing what they want (since it's so ridiculously easy to avoid)?

The problem is that your examples are not relevant to this game and fail to actually explain or exemplify anything going on. You're trying to explain Counterstrike in terms of Farmville. People who “remember the old days of gaming” and who will enjoy EVE don't relate to WoW — they relate to Ultima Online. So you're already using the wrong language.

By using WoW references, you only ever completely fail to demonstrate anything of relevance to this game, and you also fail to address the players who might be actually interested in the game. You keep building barriers by providing a thoroughly inaccurate picture of what's going on — it's gaming-linguistic synesthesia, which helps no-one.

Good news: it already has, and it continues to. It does so by doing nothing that is in any way related to WoW because that segment of the market is spoken for and those players are not interested in a game such as EVE. That's ok. Tastes vary. There are piles upon piles of game-corpses strewn along the road to show that you cannot and should not try to take players away from WoW — the games that have succeeded have done so by being nothing like WoW and by appealing to a different audience. This audience does not speak WoW and probably prefer not to be spoken to in those terms even if they do, since what they're looking for is something completely different.

No. He really isn't. A player who chooses to fly freighters as a career also chooses a set of obstacles that come with that career. He is only out of the picture if he decides that he doesn't want to work around those obstacles and learn to be good at his job. This is no different than any other career in EVE. The only thing that puts you out of the picture is your own decisions and choices.