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Jump Freighter Ganking - CCP what you will do against this???

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Callyuk
M1A12 Corp
#361 - 2013-07-04 21:39:16 UTC
Starkiller Lothlorien wrote:
Callyuk wrote:
Starkiller Lothlorien wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Anna Djan wrote:
Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.


Or rethink our skill system, because what's the point in leveling these skills, when a 2 week player can destroy what took 3+ months to skill for?

Even WoW rewards hard work better than this.

Put the time in = earned your rewards.


OP hasn't lost skills though?

Should have backup 2bil for buying replacement JF if ganked before he disembarks it from a station.


2 BIL will barely buy you a freighter, it wont touch a Jump freighter


Forgive me noob still not ofay with prices of stuff.

Motto still stands. Don't shoot your load into space if not enough in bank for second wind, amirite?

2bil, 2tril, 2mil, all same. I no fly Ret if my bank account has less than cost of new one. Makes first ret puppy eyes as it sits in dock waiting for second bankroll to build up, but if it goes bangbangboom, my eyes are dry as badabing badashming, replacement ready in seconds.

JF may be harder to get, though. I have no experience. Hi-level game seems pointless anyway as everything slower.


If every super pilot used your motto we wouldn't have a super fleet now would we
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#362 - 2013-07-04 22:06:20 UTC
Elder TheRock wrote:
NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom


i get it being ganked sucks specially if its expensive which a JF loss is by definition. what you could do is be more carefull it sucks but what can you do. its one of the things that makes eve a great game.

goons suck that is true well join the war against them! or support the ones that fight goons Big smile

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Starkiller Lothlorien
Doomheim
#363 - 2013-07-04 22:33:18 UTC
Goons don't suck. Goons flying CCP flag. Parse this, Johnny B Good.

Ganking is emergent gameplay. In olden days MMOs alter this, tweak that when playerbase cries out for halpme when gankers strike. Here in Eve, if mechanics not being broken, anything goes. It's what makes the game the game. It is what it is, as they say in Germany.

Better question maybe is why anyone bothers with 'level progression' in small->medium->big ships that all do same thing but more risk.

Vent mines, cheap to replace.
Ret mines more, but risky gank-bait, swishing skirts in belts for Cat kerbcrawlers. Cost a bomb to buy again after podding. What for to get ret? Doing same stuff anyway.

Same for haulers. Oops my rookie hauler disappeared into a wormhole, sorry Johnny it's down the plughole. Wave.

No problemo, here's 300k, get another.

JF gone? Sell the silver, cry on forum. Lesson learned. I will stay small and under the radar and I will be safe.
Short Stack122
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2013-07-05 00:07:49 UTC
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#365 - 2013-07-05 00:09:44 UTC
Short Stack122 wrote:
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....


Or, if they got a single friend to double web their freighters...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#366 - 2013-07-05 00:19:27 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Short Stack122 wrote:
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....


Or, if they got a single friend to double web their freighters...


That requires effort and a knowledge of game mechanics, most of the gank victims can't be arsed to participate in either.

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Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#367 - 2013-07-05 00:39:06 UTC
The OP is blind idiot;

His JF was ganked in the pipe from zinkon/vehan to amarr. The OP's alliance lives in and around Aridia, next door. This pipe should be very well-known to him, and if he had bothered paying attention to the Big Kills page on eve-kill, he would have known that the pipe was a Danger Zone as plenty of other freighter ganks occurred in that pipe that day, prior to his loss.

Situational awareness, people. If you don't have it and think that paying attention to what's going on by consuming every source of information possible is "something I shouldn't have to do" then you deserve losses like this.

A scout with MinLuv toonies set red could have saved him. Completely skipping over highsec via cyno chain to get him closer to his destination could have saved him. A quick glance at the killboards could have saved him. This "freighters need slots" nonsense is thinking the wrong way - you can't EFT yourself out of laziness, and even if you could, CCP shouldn't be encouraging it.

In addition, a ship's survivability should in no way ever be linked to its cost. Want an example? Titans can cost well over 100bn, yet a lone HIC/dictor - just one! - can completely screw over a Titan pilot's day. This is why you don't move such vulnerable ships without some sort of support appropriate for its role and environment.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#368 - 2013-07-05 03:14:19 UTC
Short Stack122 wrote:
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....

The issue is its too easy, too risk free and too profitable. It takes no cunning.Bumping ships is basic.Fitting a dessie is basic.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#369 - 2013-07-05 03:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Short Stack122 wrote:
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....

The issue is its too easy, too risk free and too profitable. It takes no cunning.Bumping ships is basic.Fitting a dessie is basic.

Bumping is easy in principle, not quite so easy in practice. Destroyers are easy to fit, in that you are correct, what isn't so easy is organising and coordinating multiple pilots who in general have a very small window of opportunity in which to carry out their task before needing to reship. Using game mechanics, clever tactics and deceit to your advantage in performing a gank adeptly is the very definition of cunning.

Try it with 15+ pilots, in highsec, with Concord and FACPO harassment and then come back and tell us how easy it is to carry out a JF gank with Destroyers, because if it's as easy as you think it is, you should find it a cakewalk.

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Shainai
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#370 - 2013-07-05 05:00:14 UTC
Phish wrote:
Honestly it is a very stupid mechanic. To let a bunch of ships that total less then 30M kill a freighter. There needs to be a way to fight back on the freighters side, so if your AFK your dead but if your active and there you can so something with at least a chance of saving your ship. (a chance, doesn't have to be 100%, but at least 50% would be nice)



There is a way to save your ship and we have used it to escape a goon gank attempt, recently even. Pilot was on coms, said goons are trying to gank me please send help, we sent help... webbers help a LOT!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#371 - 2013-07-05 05:29:03 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

The issue is its too easy, too risk free and too profitable. It takes no cunning.Bumping ships is basic.Fitting a dessie is basic.


It is only as easy, profitable and risky as the target makes it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#372 - 2013-07-05 05:34:52 UTC
Anna Djan wrote:
Although I see this as a whine post, being able to gank a 7bil ship with 500mil worth in highsec needs looking at.


Since when is "you must lose X amount of ISK to kill X amount of ISK" a rule in highsec?

It was never a rule, it's nonsense

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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#373 - 2013-07-05 05:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
I'm sorry for your loss, really I feel bad but did you say goons ganked you???

Seriously, have you not figured out how to set a negative standing on an entire alliance yet? You mark all the goons and you will know how many are in local. If you still decide to move through the system well.... it's your fault. just undock in a shuttle and do a dscan for gank fleets, its not that hard. Plus the fact that you did this TWICE now shows that your corp mates are willing to risk 1.2 billion in one haul even after losing their stuff before.

Your corp mate is lazy and goons only taught him a valuable lesson, albeit expensive. They outplayed him and he is completely incompetent for flying without intel. I would fire him or her actually from my corp for having this happen twice.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#374 - 2013-07-05 07:06:50 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
I'm sorry for your loss, really I feel bad but did you say goons ganked you???

Seriously, have you not figured out how to set a negative standing on an entire alliance yet? You mark all the goons and you will know how many are in local. If you still decide to move through the system well.... it's your fault. just undock in a shuttle and do a dscan for gank fleets, its not that hard. Plus the fact that you did this TWICE now shows that your corp mates are willing to risk 1.2 billion in one haul even after losing their stuff before.

Your corp mate is lazy and goons only taught him a valuable lesson, albeit expensive. They outplayed him and he is completely incompetent for flying without intel. I would fire him or her actually from my corp for having this happen twice.

Haha. You obviously don't know how these things operate do you? Let me help you a bit here.

  1. They will not be waiting in system for your scout to spot them, local will look normal and friendly.
  2. You will be perma-bumped by neutrals that are the suicide gankers alts.
  3. Any attempt to log off to escape the neutral bumpers results in more neutral alts in noob ships shooting you suiciding to cause you to maintain an aggression timer, thus you will never log off because they will always have a fresh alt in an Ibis to re-aggress you.
  4. Then after you can't warp, can't log, the suicide group logs in or jumps in.
  5. You die.

I hope this helps.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#375 - 2013-07-05 07:29:18 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
You will be perma-bumped by neutrals that are the suicide gankers alts.


yeah if only jump freighters had a way to escape neutral bumpers

hmm

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M9700 Onzo
JOFA Incorporated
#376 - 2013-07-05 08:35:47 UTC
Elder TheRock wrote:
NEXT sensless Jumpfreighter was ganked by Goons

Cargovalue: 1.2 bil

CCP you want this kind of "pvp"....if yes, you will lost all old players
which gave your game the chance to grow 10 years ago!


I play now over 8 years Eve....but now its over for me....

and all other players who want to tell me: "why you re so dump and fly in highsec with your Jumpfreighter"

It was not my, it was only a good friend in my corporation....the second one in the last 2 month....

we will quit now....


THANKYOU CCP
Regards
Tom



My friend.... it is for this sweet tears that the ganks happen in the first place... your misplaced anger feeds those who train a day old disposable character into a catalyst and prey on the rich high sec players who are too lazy to jump gate to gate and scout for gate camps and fly on autopilot.

If you played 8 years and you have not learnt this much there is no help for you.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#377 - 2013-07-05 09:22:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You will be perma-bumped by neutrals that are the suicide gankers alts.


yeah if only jump freighters had a way to escape neutral bumpers

hmm

Well yes, there is cynoing out, but what about normal freighters?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#378 - 2013-07-05 09:27:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You will be perma-bumped by neutrals that are the suicide gankers alts.


yeah if only jump freighters had a way to escape neutral bumpers

hmm

Well yes, there is cynoing out, but what about normal freighters?


The thread is about JFs. There's a whole other thread about regular freighters.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Starkiller Lothlorien
Doomheim
#379 - 2013-07-05 10:17:04 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
cyndrogen wrote:
I'm sorry for your loss, really I feel bad but did you say goons ganked you???

Seriously, have you not figured out how to set a negative standing on an entire alliance yet? You mark all the goons and you will know how many are in local. If you still decide to move through the system well.... it's your fault. just undock in a shuttle and do a dscan for gank fleets, its not that hard. Plus the fact that you did this TWICE now shows that your corp mates are willing to risk 1.2 billion in one haul even after losing their stuff before.

Your corp mate is lazy and goons only taught him a valuable lesson, albeit expensive. They outplayed him and he is completely incompetent for flying without intel. I would fire him or her actually from my corp for having this happen twice.

Haha. You obviously don't know how these things operate do you? Let me help you a bit here.

  1. They will not be waiting in system for your scout to spot them, local will look normal and friendly.
  2. You will be perma-bumped by neutrals that are the suicide gankers alts.
  3. Any attempt to log off to escape the neutral bumpers results in more neutral alts in noob ships shooting you suiciding to cause you to maintain an aggression timer, thus you will never log off because they will always have a fresh alt in an Ibis to re-aggress you.
  4. Then after you can't warp, can't log, the suicide group logs in or jumps in.
  5. You die.

I hope this helps.



This WAI according to CCP.

CCP approves of hideously boring gameplay. OP and ilk need to man up and self-destruct if in this position. Only honorable way out, deprive gaboons of win.

Seriously, just ctrl-alt-delet and end process, the. go down the pub and sink a few, hours later you'll be laughing off the loss.

Game.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#380 - 2013-07-05 10:26:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Short Stack122 wrote:
sounds like a lot of people are mad that someone used less money and a lot more cunning to take out a larger and more expensive ship. maybe some of the energy expended here complaining was used to think of ways to outsmart the gankers then these threads wouldnt exist....

The issue is its too easy, too risk free and too profitable. It takes no cunning.Bumping ships is basic.Fitting a dessie is basic.


That's where the problem is: it's too easy.

If EvE wants to be considered hard CCP can't just let something this easy exist. My healer in WoW can he harder to play, than this mechanic allows. That's how simple it is.

Defending it as a combat tactic shows the players want a game that is as easy as how they think WoW is. WoW long did away with cheap tactics like Divine Intervention (aggro things on the pally [like using a hunter's misdirect], he dies, so the whole raid can pass through mobs). But EvE players still want DI like tactics, and also want to claim EvE is harder to play???

Trying to force players to play without DI, by using DI as their tactic is beyond weird, especially defending it as legit (DI never was designed to avoid mobs [it was designed to sacrifice yourself so someone else can live, like a tank], why it was eliminated) to try to enforce having a fleet escort freighters.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell