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What is this rumored "Mach nerf" that is "coming soon?"
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#21 - 2013-07-02 18:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
Freighdee Katt wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Their theoretical weaknesses (lack of EHP, poor damage projection) don't matter as much in the field as they should.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Unless by "theoretical" he means that "poor damage projection" is a weakness in "theory" and not in fact, because last time I checked the Mach is dearly loved for two things (1) great speed; and (2) amazingly good damage projection. With 1200 arties and plasma this thing will lay down half of it's max DPS all the way out to 110km (after the TE nerf), which just blows away any other projectile bonused hull in the game.


Ytterbium made the faction BS changes and balanced them around the projectile stats at this time, while Zulu changed them to ridiculous levels after that(10% base dps, more range, higher alpha, selectable damage types, 30%+ falloff for TEs). This is the reason why angel hulls are kind of ridiculous from the balancing point of view. If you take a closer look you might even spot that the first iteration of the vindicator only had a 25% damage bonus, that was changed later to 37.5% because the mach did just as much dps with a lot more range than the Vindicator(not that this even mattered much, given that the days of solo blaster BS outside of dock/jump range where already long over at this point). I still remember the hilarious predictions of people that where bad at pvp, that serpentis hulls will bolt out the sun, while complaining to getting owned left, right and centre by angel hulls after the patch. Lol

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#22 - 2013-07-02 18:54:03 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Your points literally lose any and all credibility when you start complaining about nerfs to anything pve related.

Sorry but regardless of how much a ship is used in pvp or how much its worth or whatever, ship balance is done around pvp. Everything else is secondary.


things that make ships good for pvp often make them good for pve too. but I have to ask does the mach need a pvp nerf? if a navy raven can go 1.1km/s is the machs 1.5km/s crazy? (although the agility may be crazy) and geddons with 37.8km neuts. I dunno the scariest thing about a mach in pvp is that you will think that because it is an expensive and powerful ship that they will have pirate implants and a gang booster (maybe even a cyno).

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XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2013-07-03 12:24:48 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Your points literally lose any and all credibility when you start complaining about nerfs to anything pve related.

Sorry but regardless of how much a ship is used in pvp or how much its worth or whatever, ship balance is done around pvp. Everything else is secondary.


things that make ships good for pvp often make them good for pve too. but I have to ask does the mach need a pvp nerf? if a navy raven can go 1.1km/s is the machs 1.5km/s crazy? (although the agility may be crazy) and geddons with 37.8km neuts. I dunno the scariest thing about a mach in pvp is that you will think that because it is an expensive and powerful ship that they will have pirate implants and a gang booster (maybe even a cyno).


I don't know enough/haven't experienced enough with the ship to really comment on if they should be nerfed or not. I simply wanted to point out that balance is never and will never be done with pve as a priority.

This thread's existence in this subforum is quite silly actually.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#24 - 2013-07-03 12:36:35 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
This thread's existence in this subforum is quite silly actually.

As a mach is considered by many to be a Top Shelf mission boat the presence of a thread about it's future as it affects mission runners seems quite appropriate in this subforum.

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XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#25 - 2013-07-03 14:15:33 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
This thread's existence in this subforum is quite silly actually.

As a mach is considered by many to be a Top Shelf mission boat the presence of a thread about it's future as it affects mission runners seems quite appropriate in this subforum.


I suppose but the inevitable digression to balance discussion is pointless here; the woes of mission runners with regards to balance will largely be ignored.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-07-03 16:53:43 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
This thread's existence in this subforum is quite silly actually.

As a mach is considered by many to be a Top Shelf mission boat the presence of a thread about it's future as it affects mission runners seems quite appropriate in this subforum.


I suppose but the inevitable digression to balance discussion is pointless here; the woes of mission runners with regards to balance will largely be ignored.


Yes - until people cry about how easy it is to make isk in high sec (and that powerful mission boats facilitate this)...then...woooft the touchpaper is lit.

I'd offer a citation, but you know where general discussion is, right? Blink
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#27 - 2013-07-03 17:18:44 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


Yes - until people cry about how easy it is to make isk in high sec (and that powerful mission boats facilitate this)...then...woooft the touchpaper is lit.



I'd love to see the last time ship stats where changed in response to isk generation.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2013-07-04 06:13:27 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Yes - until people cry about how easy it is to make isk in high sec (and that powerful mission boats facilitate this)...then...woooft the touchpaper is lit.

I'd offer a citation, but you know where general discussion is, right? Blink


wouldn't people be talking about nightmares and incursions then?

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-07-04 06:32:47 UTC
I try and keep clear of general discussion, bad for the brain Smile
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