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Teenage gamer may go to prison for 8 years.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2013-07-01 12:38:57 UTC
DreznicK wrote:

Well it sounds like you are getting a reality check, not happy about it are you ?
There are rules for living in a society, I am sorry if your parents failed to pass that information on to you.

And yes at times they completely suck, sad part of growing up I guess is you find out things are not what you expected them to be.
Probably why teenagers are always mad.


Boy, let me tell you: I live in a free country, I grew up in a dictatorship. I know something about that kind of stuff.

If the case in the topic would be correct law enforcement, the US jails must be filled with comedians etc. Think about it.
No more Bill Maher, no more Larry King.

Take a step back and look at the big picture. Reality check etc.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2013-07-01 12:39:10 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


That's a pretty extreme example. Airports may actually be a special thing, especially in the states.

But I sure as hell can say to someone in real life that I'm gonna shoot up a school, laugh about it and say "just kidding" without the cops coming and locking me up.

Freedom of speech.


Afraid not you need to look up freedom.
Freedom to do something means there will be no repercussions from the government for your actions.
If there are repercussions like going to jail or receiving a fine your actions are not free.

Example - you can talk about hating your government all you want. (Freedom of speech)

Now if you start talking about killing your leader you are no longer talking but now implying a possible action and that can have repercussions.

Too many people/companies (especially news agencies) believe freedom gives them the right to be irresponsible it doesn't.
Your are responsible for your actions, and can be punished if you cross the line.


Prison.

For words.
We just went back in time.
Norian Lonark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2013-07-01 12:39:27 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


Whatever happened to common sense. Sad

Start wide, expand further, and never look back
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-07-01 12:41:56 UTC
Norian Lonark wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


Whatever happened to common sense. Sad

The Patriot Act did all kinds of bad things to it, apparently.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#125 - 2013-07-01 12:41:58 UTC
Norian Lonark wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


Whatever happened to common sense. Sad



I'll vouch that it died the day OJ Simpson was set free.......................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2013-07-01 12:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
RAW23 wrote:
And this isn't really true either. Nobody gets in trouble if their research stacks up. The problem with holocaust denial is that the research never does. That's not to say I agree with these laws but they are far less extreme than you make them sound.


Yes it is.

I couldn't even send my brother (who was an US Army calvary scout) WWII books from the US to Germany in the fear that he'll be fined for receiving them. In the US a book with a swastika on it won't have cops at your door. Germany it can.

They're so one sided on WWII that they'll censor any image of Nazism, despite it's even mainstream views on the subject.

That's going a tad overboard in trying to be PC.

Self-policing sure. But not at the expense of reading history and all aspects of it. Even if you disagree with the *** or the Black Panthers, you should be able to read ALL the content about them -- pro or con -- uncensored. Not having the government ban or burn content...as that is what the Nazis in fact did themselves (this is funny 2 things here are censored out, but Black Panthers is not, despite it's an extremist group with a violent bent too...shakes head).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#127 - 2013-07-01 12:43:13 UTC
Funny thing, if he's a first time offender; he could have gotten less time for (1) **** (2) manslaughter (3) 2nd degree murder (4) armed robbery or (5) drug dealing etc etc all in the state of texas.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#128 - 2013-07-01 12:43:17 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


Whatever happened to common sense. Sad

The Patriot Act did all kinds of bad things to it, apparently.


A near personal violent attack and verbal threat are not covered under The Patriot Act. Get real with the arguments please. This is the same as the dude who likened it to a George Carlin performance. Sheesh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#129 - 2013-07-01 12:43:18 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


A German doesn't even see a quarter of the internet as their country will censor even on copyright issues. It's draconian there on copyright and ideas about hate crimes


This is simply not true.

Quote:
In Germany mention things about ******, or even be a Holocaust denier, and you will face jail time (researchers there are jailed if they don't follow the political line about WWII).


And this isn't really true either. Nobody gets in trouble if their research stacks up. The problem with holocaust denial is that the research never does. That's not to say I agree with these laws but they are far less extreme than you make them sound.

Fake research does lead to trouble with authorities in other fields as well, not just history. Latest news relating to that can be read in Retraction Watch. Most cases don't get in news.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#130 - 2013-07-01 12:44:57 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Yes it is.

I couldn't even send my brother (who was an US Army calvary scout) WWII books from the US to Germany in the fear that he'll be fined for receiving them. In the US a book with a swastika on it won't have cops at your door. Germany it can.
.



That I absolutely do not believe. The military's APO service would handle his mail, and nothing to do with German censorship would have been involved.

Get real.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ziphis
Dingus Coalition
HYPE-TRAIN
#131 - 2013-07-01 12:45:20 UTC
Anyone else got the feeling now we've expressed our view on it we've all become targets in our own governments eyes?

He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in wet copper armour shouting 'All the Gods are bastards.'  - T. Pratchett
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#132 - 2013-07-01 12:46:11 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Funny thing, if he's a first time offender; he could have gotten less time for (1) **** (2) manslaughter (3) 2nd degree murder (4) armed robbery or (5) drug dealing etc etc all in the state of texas.



Well, they are not taking any chances in Texas.

They still do not know why that fertilizer plant blew up........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2013-07-01 12:47:59 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Fake research does lead to trouble with authorities in other fields as well, not just history. Latest news relating to that can be read in Retraction Watch. Most cases don't get in news.


Yet that's some the public can correct via education.

When you get governments censoring content, it's a slippery slope.

This is why research needs to always be uncensored, even if it's disagreeable to you.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2013-07-01 12:48:20 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

Also I'm taking notes on the cowards in this thread, I have a feeling you emulate your RL attitudes ingame and would make for some juicy war decs.


Do you like hunting for cloaked covert ops frigates in deep safespots? Well, it's your money...
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-07-01 12:48:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Norian Lonark wrote:
Seems it was obviously intended as a joke, it may cause offence but lots of people make jokes about things that people would find offensive and do not get put in jail.


When was the last time you read newspaper or watched news from TV?

This should always be taken seriously. Joke or not. You just can't go to airport, shout you have bomb in your backpack -> "Dude! It was a joke!".


Whatever happened to common sense. Sad

The Patriot Act did all kinds of bad things to it, apparently.


A near personal violent attack and verbal threat are not covered under The Patriot Act. Get real with the arguments please. This is the same as the dude who likened it to a George Carlin performance. Sheesh.

I was more talking about the fact that Americans in general have been skittish tards since 2001. I would know, I am one, and live here.

As for the Carlin comment, that was me as well. Where exactly do you draw the line? Is it because Carlin is getting paid that he's allowed to say whatever he may want? Being a professional comedian grants some extra rights that the rest of us do not have? "Look at the news lately" is a **** poor excuse, and one often used by statist morons when they are looking for an excuse to shut people up. It smacks of "look at us guys, look at what we are doing to keep you safe!" The part they leave off is "from a teenager who actually showed no real evidence of committing violence against anyone." Was he stockpiling weapons and ammunition? I don't know, but something tells me that if he was, it would be known already. It would fit better with the "look at what we are doing to keep you safe" montage.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#136 - 2013-07-01 12:50:46 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Confirming that "lol, j/k" is a get out of jail free-card.

If the una-bomber had put it at the end of his manifesto, everyone would've known it was just a big joke.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to be an idiot and make threats in a public forum. Let the system work it out - that's what the system is for.

Mittens learned there was a line not to cross - this kid jumped past the line a bit farther. Both may have been joking, but both actions have consequences.

Did you really just compare a known murderer to some kid who made a smart assed comment on the internet? Seriously?


No, I pointed out the idiocy of taking "lol, j/k" as cancelling anything you just said, regardless of how threatening, stupid or ignorant it may have been.

Quote:

Edit: Mittens also didn't spend eight years in prison either, smartass.


No, but he felt repercussions for what he said "jokingly" in a public forum. Pay attention. Read critically, not emotionally. This 19 year old "kid" hasn't spent 8 years in prison yet either. That is the maximum potential penalty for the charges he is facing today.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-07-01 12:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Yes it is.

I couldn't even send my brother (who was an US Army calvary scout) WWII books from the US to Germany in the fear that he'll be fined for receiving them. In the US a book with a swastika on it won't have cops at your door. Germany it can.
.



That I absolutely do not believe. The military's APO service would handle his mail, and nothing to do with German censorship would have been involved.

Get real.


He lives in Germany (even still, he has family there). Notice (was) in the reply above? He's the one who warned me about it, I could only send him WWII books on the pacific war with Japan, instead (that isn't censored). Tanker who loves Patton, and not 1 book about the 3rd Army's roll into Germany could I send him, for the fear of fines.

So, yes, get real.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
DreznicK
OORt Cloud Research
The OORT Cloud
#138 - 2013-07-01 12:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DreznicK
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
DreznicK wrote:

Well it sounds like you are getting a reality check, not happy about it are you ?
There are rules for living in a society, I am sorry if your parents failed to pass that information on to you.

And yes at times they completely suck, sad part of growing up I guess is you find out things are not what you expected them to be.
Probably why teenagers are always mad.


Boy, let me tell you: I live in a free country, I grew up in a dictatorship. I know something about that kind of stuff.

If the case in the topic would be correct law enforcement, the US jails must be filled with comedians etc. Think about it.
No more Bill Maher, no more Larry King.

Take a step back and look at the big picture. Reality check etc.


Nope because people like Bill Maher, and Larry King know what to say and what not to say, which I am sure you learned as well.
Keep in mind the law anywhere dictates what the police can and can't do.
This person was arrested and is awaiting his time in court, the police have very little they can do, they either give you a fine or throw you in jail for the courts to deal with you.

He could get acquitted and his record scrubbed, but that is not for the police to decide, they don't have that kind of power.
And as far as being in a dictator country the only difference is in who makes the rules.
One person or lots of people.
If you have a good dictator then in some respects you are much better off then with a group of people.
But if he/she is bad well there is no checks or balances.
Same can be said about a monarchy or any government system it is entirely dependent on who is in power.
No system is even close to being perfect, all have good and bad points.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-07-01 13:06:01 UTC
DreznicK wrote:
Nope because people like Bill Maher, and Larry King know what to say and what not to say, which I am sure you learned as well.


Well, Bill Mahers gets his contracts revoked because of what he says and how he says it. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I think he's an ass.

People are free to say what they want in the US (from Bill Mahers to Rush Limbaugh), but people also are allowed to criticize them, too. And that's a fair way to present free speech, both sides are allowed to debate the issues.

It's when third parties interfere and want to censor is the problem. As who is the third party and who is sponsoring them and why? If the public doesn't know, and if they're not squeaky clean, it's trouble.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Balkor Wolf
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-07-01 13:07:00 UTC
Ziphis wrote:
Balkor Wolf wrote:
Some nice freedom you have there America.

Certainly an interesting read though and if I take anything away from this it's that I shouldn't be telling everyone in Jita local about my plans to hotdrop the London Subway and gate camp the ticket barriers.

OH BTW LULZ GUYS THAT WAS SARCASM PLEASE DON'T TRACK ME DOWN AND REPORT ME TO OUR UNDERPAID POLICE FORCE.



Lol...nice plan xD


I'm glad at least someone enjoyed it =3