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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#341 - 2013-07-07 21:15:37 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Yes, you are allowed opinions, I didn't say anywhere where opinions weren't allowed and nowhere did I even suggest that the internet ought to be closed down.

Okay, let's have opnions. Nothing wrong with opinions but's let's have opinions that you hold by rather than lies.

By this if I say that I am not keen on a certain section of society, or how a part of society is run or that I am going or not going to do something then let's make it truthful.

Everything that I have written here in this thread and every other message since my first message on Eve and, in fact on any message board anywhere on the internet at any time, or BBS in time before that, has been truthful. And because I never intented ever to harm anyone I have never had ever had the need to threaten anyone.

If someone comes onto the internet and fouls the waters by being an utter prat and, in doing so, breaks the law then he fullly deservers what he gets. And, yes, he did something wrong - he fell foul of the law with respect to publishing various threats which cannot be taken lightly.

Yes, let's have freedom of speech but let's add a proviso - you can say what you want but it had better be true to your feelings and intentions. And then beware of the consequences. I am the biggest advocate of freedom of speech but I know that with some freedoms comes reposnsibilities. That fact may now have dawned onto that idiot.

So, no. I don't think it's the right thing to do is to do as you suggest and close down the internet.


Houm, sounds like you pretend everyone to be Asperger. The whole point of most humor is to state as true what is false in a way that triggers humour. Humour implies saying things you don't mean and which are funny precisely because you don't mean them.

In my view, the boy did something stupid, but the woman who denounced him is beyond stupid, she's an insult to humanity.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#342 - 2013-07-07 23:17:12 UTC
just out of interest .. does anyone have the name of the person who accused him ?.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#343 - 2013-07-07 23:20:32 UTC
jason hill wrote:
just out of interest .. does anyone have the name of the person who accused him ?.


You know the stupid thing, I don't think anyone does... I think they've kept it quiet, which is a massove contradiction of what theyre doing.
If I am wrong then I apologise, honestly.
Although saying that, even if I knew their name I dont think I'd want to be the one to post it...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2013-07-07 23:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
AFAIK nobody has reported the person by name. They have said it was a female player from Canada, that's it.

Latest:

Quote:
The Texas teen, who has been jailed for five months, is currently on suicide watch in solitary confinement


You can find the details and case info if you are willing to scour le reddit.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#345 - 2013-07-08 00:27:58 UTC
then all I that I can say ...then this is an absaloute pile of bollox Evil
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#346 - 2013-07-08 00:42:58 UTC
jason hill wrote:
then all I that I can say ...then this is an absaloute pile of bollox Evil



America ..
the land of the not so free
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#347 - 2013-07-08 06:45:33 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
jason hill wrote:
just out of interest .. does anyone have the name of the person who accused him ?.


You know the stupid thing, I don't think anyone does... I think they've kept it quiet, which is a massove contradiction of what theyre doing.
If I am wrong then I apologise, honestly.
Although saying that, even if I knew their name I dont think I'd want to be the one to post it...


Probably they're right to do so, the temptation to remove her from the gene pool is strong...
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#348 - 2013-07-08 07:36:00 UTC
This really Angers me... What Silly thing to do and the Teen is now on Suicide watch?! My Gawd... Srsly What the Hell.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#349 - 2013-07-09 06:59:09 UTC
You know what.

While this certainly displayes the flaws within the US legal system, and that's not just knocking the US, as I gather that there is a similer case happening in the UK.

I actually find it difficult to have any sympathy at all for this rather stupid little boy.

"It was only a joke" The famous defence of just about every bully that has been caught out.

Trolls and so called 'hacktavist' have been pigging the world off for, as long as the internet has been about, and it looks like the worlds patience is starting to run out. The fact that I am typing this may be evidence, as once I would have been in the front line of shouting in support of the lad. But now it's more a case off "To***r, got what he deserves."

That is wrong I know, but perhaps it is evidence of how uncaring the world is becoming, I don't know. What I do know, is that this youth is not high on my list of priorities to beat a drum on to defend.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#350 - 2013-07-09 10:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
You know what.

While this certainly displayes the flaws within the US legal system, and that's not just knocking the US, as I gather that there is a similer case happening in the UK.

I actually find it difficult to have any sympathy at all for this rather stupid little boy.

"It was only a joke" The famous defence of just about every bully that has been caught out.

Trolls and so called 'hacktavist' have been pigging the world off for, as long as the internet has been about, and it looks like the worlds patience is starting to run out. The fact that I am typing this may be evidence, as once I would have been in the front line of shouting in support of the lad. But now it's more a case off "To***r, got what he deserves."

That is wrong I know, but perhaps it is evidence of how uncaring the world is becoming, I don't know. What I do know, is that this youth is not high on my list of priorities to beat a drum on to defend.


I agree with you completely when its to do with bullies and the like. But the fact of the matter was, he was technically the "victim" (in apostrophies because I couldnt think of the better word) that was called something and bit. His comment was in jest and reply to someones comment aimed at him. So its not a case of he was the bully that said it was a joke.

(dont mean to come off brash at you there, couldnt really word it like I wasnt having a go lol)

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#351 - 2013-07-09 11:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Yes, you are allowed opinions, I didn't say anywhere where opinions weren't allowed and nowhere did I even suggest that the internet ought to be closed down.

Okay, let's have opnions. Nothing wrong with opinions but's let's have opinions that you hold by rather than lies.

By this if I say that I am not keen on a certain section of society, or how a part of society is run or that I am going or not going to do something then let's make it truthful.

Everything that I have written here in this thread and every other message since my first message on Eve and, in fact on any message board anywhere on the internet at any time, or BBS in time before that, has been truthful. And because I never intented ever to harm anyone I have never had ever had the need to threaten anyone.

If someone comes onto the internet and fouls the waters by being an utter prat and, in doing so, breaks the law then he fullly deservers what he gets. And, yes, he did something wrong - he fell foul of the law with respect to publishing various threats which cannot be taken lightly.

Yes, let's have freedom of speech but let's add a proviso - you can say what you want but it had better be true to your feelings and intentions. And then beware of the consequences. I am the biggest advocate of freedom of speech but I know that with some freedoms comes reposnsibilities. That fact may now have dawned onto that idiot.

So, no. I don't think it's the right thing to do is to do as you suggest and close down the internet.


Houm, sounds like you pretend everyone to be Asperger. The whole point of most humor is to state as true what is false in a way that triggers humour. Humour implies saying things you don't mean and which are funny precisely because you don't mean them.

In my view, the boy did something stupid, but the woman who denounced him is beyond stupid, she's an insult to humanity.


I actually thought most humour is humourous as there is some form of truth to it, but that is just my opinion.


My opinion is that if you say something stupid just to incite reaction you are responsible for the end results. That being said, if what you said involves you actually having to do something for said issues to arise then there is a very clear line that has not been crossed; therefore prosecution should not occur. I also feel like people have every right to report said speech to the authorities and then authorities just may deem it necessary to monitor said individual if they deem it necessary. You know probable cause and all.

Trolls believe that the internet has added some veil of anonymity to their trolling nature, well that is not so true and now people need to watch what they say online just like they have to watch what they say in the real world. I seriously doubt he would have said what he said in an open forum, even with the lol's added.
My Forum Alt
Doomheim
#352 - 2013-07-09 11:21:55 UTC
people really need to use the sarcastrophe more often and we need to introduce a proper symbol to keyboards.

^i am sure thats going to happen very soon^
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2013-07-09 11:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

I agree with you completely when its to do with bullies and the like. But the fact of the matter was, he was technically the "victim" (in apostrophies because I couldnt think of the better word) that was called something and bit. His comment was in jest and reply to someones comment aimed at him. So its not a case of he was the bully that said it was a joke.

(dont mean to come off brash at you there, couldnt really word it like I wasnt having a go lol)


First, you did not come over as 'brash' at all.

This is something that I have been 'aware of' but not taken that much interest in. However, the BBC has finally pick it up and has been running with it. So I took the time to look into it further.

I am also writting this as a recently retired Staff Nurse who has spent the last 25 years working in the field of forensic psychiatry.

OK, first, what the guy wrote was vile, utter vile. Not just some 'smack talk' trying to get a rise out of somebody it was a statement that would have stabbed straight into very sore spots. Would it have been acceptable here had he been making anti-Semitic or racist threats? Had he been threatening to kill unarmed soldiers on the streets of the UK? Take it from me, had he done the latter the police would have had to take him into custody, for his own protection.

OK, now I am putting my ex-forensic nursing head on.

Keeping in mind that the US is currently suffering a plague where sad, inadequate young men are venting their rage against the world on kiddies or fellow school peers. The probability is this lad would have ticked enough boxes to set a lot of alarm bells ringing. From the police point of view, he would probably be a very close, in a psychological profilling match, to those inadequates that have killed so many. I am not saying that he would, chances are had this not happened he would have grown-up and got on with his life as most of us do.
Hell, most of us here, myself included, would probably tick a lot of the 'wrong' boxes when it came to psychological profiling, just for the fact that we play computer games.

But look at it from the local law enforcement official’s point of view. Would you rather be dragged over the coals for being heavy handed with some 'young idiot' who frankly has been a big tw**. Or having to defend yourself after that 'young idiot' whose wrists you just slapped, walked into a school with a collection of assault weapons that any SWAT team would have been proud of?

Take it from me, in today’s climate, any officials first response will be 'cover your ass before you do anything.'

I do hope that when it next comes to court, there is an outbreak of common sense all around. Perhaps make the lad spend some time in one of the schools that have suffered such a tragic event, so he is made aware of how 'uncool' his words are.

Is he a victim? No, he chose to 'twist the tiger’s tail'. But maybe he is the ‘victim’ of the tiger that has just gotten too pissed off with the amount of 'tail twisting' it has had to put up with recently.

Perhaps the real guilty ones are all of us here, and who post where ever on the internet. We are the ones who have let things get to the state where 'trolling' and cyber bullying are if not accepted, do have a blind eye turned from them.

As I say, I certainly don't know what the whole outcome will be. All we can hope for is an outbreak of common sense, and hope that in the UK at least, the Government does not drag that into its 'body of evidence' to support then prying into my internet activities, in the name of national security, of course.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#354 - 2013-07-09 12:54:32 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:

I agree with you completely when its to do with bullies and the like. But the fact of the matter was, he was technically the "victim" (in apostrophies because I couldnt think of the better word) that was called something and bit. His comment was in jest and reply to someones comment aimed at him. So its not a case of he was the bully that said it was a joke.

(dont mean to come off brash at you there, couldnt really word it like I wasnt having a go lol)


First, you did not come over as 'brash' at all.

This is something that I have been 'aware of' but not taken that much interest in. However, the BBC has finally pick it up and has been running with it. So I took the time to look into it further.

I am also writting this as a recently retired Staff Nurse who has spent the last 25 years working in the field of forensic psychiatry.

OK, first, what the guy wrote was vile, utter vile. Not just some 'smack talk' trying to get a rise out of somebody it was a statement that would have stabbed straight into very sore spots. Would it have been acceptable here had he been making anti-Semitic or racist threats? Had he been threatening to kill unarmed soldiers on the streets of the UK? Take it from me, had he done the latter the police would have had to take him into custody, for his own protection.

OK, now I am putting my ex-forensic nursing head on.

Keeping in mind that the US is currently suffering a plague where sad, inadequate young men are venting their rage against the world on kiddies or fellow school peers. The probability is this lad would have ticked enough boxes to set a lot of alarm bells ringing. From the police point of view, he would probably be a very close, in a psychological profilling match, to those inadequates that have killed so many. I am not saying that he would, chances are had this not happened he would have grown-up and got on with his life as most of us do.
Hell, most of us here, myself included, would probably tick a lot of the 'wrong' boxes when it came to psychological profiling, just for the fact that we play computer games.

But look at it from the local law enforcement official’s point of view. Would you rather be dragged over the coals for being heavy handed with some 'young idiot' who frankly has been a big tw**. Or having to defend yourself after that 'young idiot' whose wrists you just slapped, walked into a school with a collection of assault weapons that any SWAT team would have been proud of?

Take it from me, in today’s climate, any officials first response will be 'cover your ass before you do anything.'

I do hope that when it next comes to court, there is an outbreak of common sense all around. Perhaps make the lad spend some time in one of the schools that have suffered such a tragic event, so he is made aware of how 'uncool' his words are.

Is he a victim? No, he chose to 'twist the tiger’s tail'. But maybe he is the ‘victim’ of the tiger that has just gotten too pissed off with the amount of 'tail twisting' it has had to put up with recently.

Perhaps the real guilty ones are all of us here, and who post where ever on the internet. We are the ones who have let things get to the state where 'trolling' and cyber bullying are if not accepted, do have a blind eye turned from them.

As I say, I certainly don't know what the whole outcome will be. All we can hope for is an outbreak of common sense, and hope that in the UK at least, the Government does not drag that into its 'body of evidence' to support then prying into my internet activities, in the name of national security, of course.


Yay, makes every sense in the world. You're called insane, you make a violent joke, so you're jailed, abused in prison, put under suicide watch and all in all you just had it coming... there is no need for profiling, no need for investigation, just put the boy in jail so they abuse him and he learns to not make jokes when Little Brother is listening up there in Canada. Roll

Anyway, you're right in one thing: to the officers implied, it is safer to imprison an innocent than to miss a nutbag. Hence in the USA, you're innocent unless it's safer to imprison you. But that doesn't haves anything to do with how every last homcidal nutjob looks like a law abidign citizen right until he puts his firearm to the "wrong" use.

By the way, the boy lives in one of the few households in Texas who don't owe any firearm. Sure that made him specially suspicious...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#355 - 2013-07-09 13:11:52 UTC
Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability Roll
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#356 - 2013-07-09 13:21:09 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability Roll


Yay, and maybe he just was like that before being imprisoned and abused in jail, all because of a joke. Roll

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#357 - 2013-07-09 13:26:51 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability Roll


Yay, and maybe he just was like that before being imprisoned and abused in jail, all because of a joke. Roll


When you are put into detention before trial you are not put into general population. Therefore he is not being abused by general population. Also, his joke was abusive and tactless according to many. So if you can not deal with it don't dish it out.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#358 - 2013-07-09 14:49:58 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability Roll


Yay, and maybe he just was like that before being imprisoned and abused in jail, all because of a joke. Roll


And as I said earlier "It was a joke" is the favorite battle cry of all bullies.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#359 - 2013-07-09 15:03:02 UTC
And just to show it's not the US only.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-22839359

In this case I feel that even more then the US case this "It was only a joke" idiot got everything he deserves.
Keira Kashuken
Daikoku Innovations
#360 - 2013-07-09 16:06:46 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
You know what.

While this certainly displayes the flaws within the US legal system, and that's not just knocking the US, as I gather that there is a similer case happening in the UK.

I actually find it difficult to have any sympathy at all for this rather stupid little boy.

"It was only a joke" The famous defence of just about every bully that has been caught out.

Trolls and so called 'hacktavist' have been pigging the world off for, as long as the internet has been about, and it looks like the worlds patience is starting to run out. The fact that I am typing this may be evidence, as once I would have been in the front line of shouting in support of the lad. But now it's more a case off "To***r, got what he deserves."

That is wrong I know, but perhaps it is evidence of how uncaring the world is becoming, I don't know. What I do know, is that this youth is not high on my list of priorities to beat a drum on to defend.


He made a damn joke. He didnt hurt anybody, sure he went too far but they threw him into a cell for several months before his case went to a judge.

It doesn't even matter what happens now, the guy's life is trashed, he is done.

A proper sentence would have been to let him clean a park for a month or do some other social work, show him what responsibility means. But you cant throw a teenager in a cell for something he SAID. I mean what would happened to him if he hit somebody in the face once? Instant death sentence? This whole case is just ridiculous, if he would have said these things to somebody in public he would have been scolded by his parents and it would have been ok.

But hey he said it on Facebook so better go and shatter his ******* live wohooo.