Out of Pod Experience

It has generally meant you can say almost anything you want unless it is going to spread imminent panic.

You can discuss the prospect of "shouting fire in a theater" all you want .

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what really pains me is how the left in the US has abandoned the ACLU now as much as W bush style right wing.


Two girls criticizing another girls hair style is now "bullying" and they can be kicked out of school for it. Of course schools always have had the right to impose rules of behaviour as a condition of attendance but young people are being taught than in a way (and the parents are being educated that way too) that saying anything that might offend people is an act of violence and not permitted by law.


How would someone engage in Socratic debate these days? Could you even have an Oxfordian style debate where one side was assigned to argue that "human slavery was a just institution" ?

Arguing extreme positions and taking any issue apart into it's vectors an verbally examining the virtues of a view points with minimal plausibiltiy still gives a better perspective on how to form the argument of the "good side" . If 999 things said arguing for the devil are wrong and the last 1 out of 1000 discovers a valid point that would not have been thought of in creating a law, that point might be good enough to save 1000s of people (out of 100 milion people say) from wrongful prosecution.

To discover that one.. many many vile things in the other 999 must be heard. If you squelch the vile things from even being said, you're not going to hear the points that do have merit that you could never have seen on your own because they weren't connected to any of your conceptual models.

People are being forced into institutions in more or more of their activity.

The workplace is now an institution ....even a plumber with 12 employees has to ban people from speaking there minds at work if those minds have racist or sexist thoughts in them.

We aren't playing amateur league softball or bowling in the evenings anymore..we're playing computer games.... and we need to watch our tongues here because I can't assume talking to you guys now like in that past social enviroment...... and holy crap I didn't realize I could get arrested if I tried out something I thought was funny that fell flat.


People need to think before they speak ? thats bs... say everything then take back what doesnt' make sense

The best conversations are things that don't look for solutions directly but examine every angle offensive or not and put in on the table to chew over one by one to enjoy the complexity of issues.

Holy **** dude...Shaq couldn't dunk this hard on someone.

+all the interwebz

Oh hai, welcome to OOPE.

You don't have a right to be offended.

It's not protected anywhere.

Cyberbullier!

Nah. Compulsory military training should be re-implemented.


Indeed. How many times does it have to be pointed out that "Freedom of Speech" is not a catch-all to say what you want, when you want. It's heavily prescribed by law. I find it amusing that most people spouting "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" as a justification don't actually know what they're talking about.

OK - ill be brief - i havnt read all 14 pages of discussion and i think this is ******** from the first post - the story, not the first post, Slade.


If DJ Madness were to release his chat logs..... im going down for permalife.

Because parents are rubbish at being parents these days. Their children are taught that there are no consequences for failure and wrapped up in safety until they think they can get away with anything they like. It now takes extreme consequences for any teenager to rethink their actions and most will still ignore those consequences if they don't think they'll be caught or they think their parents will bail them out.

The primary problem is that we allow teenagers to act like adults with all of the protection they enjoyed as children. IMO if teenagers want to be treated like adults, then they should have to face up to the consequences of their actions as adults.


CMT is no different from going to a strict school. Do you dislike learning as well?

In the context of our current public education system, most definitely. It seem like children and teenagers spend far more time learning about how wrong everyone except authority figures are these days. Seems rather familiar.

As for the rest of your points, I happen to agree. The problem more or less appears to be that the state has intruded so far into home life over the decades, that parents have relinquished all control to said authority figures. They leave it up to the teachers, police, judges, and eventually prison guards to do their jobs for them. However, I feel compelled to ask, have you dealt with any of said people within the context of teenager involvement in the last couple of decades? I have no children, and there's a reason for that. I saw what kind of **** my mother dealt with while raising me, and the direction that society was headed, and I want no part of it. Kick your kid's ass for screwing up, Social Services shows up. Kid gets locked up for doing something stupid, everyone looks at the parents like "why didn't you do something?" Their hands are effectively tied now, and it's only getting worse.

You obviously know little to nothing about human development at a young age. I am not talking about these sick fucks who beat their kids to within an inch of their lives, and I am damned sure not talking about child molesters (in fact, I believe that pedophiles are one of the few groups who should be put to death, as there is no effective rehabilitation, and even they acknowledge this). No, what I am talking about is the fact that from birth until about the age of three, children only respond to pain as a "teacher". It's the most basic physiological response that tells the brain that something is wrong. Once the child has reached a more developed stage of reason, then you can proceed with explanations and alternate forms of punishment.

Of course, some children develop more quickly than others, but I assure you a "time out" means precisely ****-all to a two year old, and your explanations of right and wrong mean even less.