These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

Solo PVP Frig
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#21 - 2013-07-02 20:58:48 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Delucian wrote:
Kid, see you are in Blue, give this fit a try. I use it on another character for RvB solo and it works quite well. You just need to manually fly it so that you maximize the laser damage;

[Executioner, Scram Range fit]
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]



Hey.. Thats not awful! =D

Nice to see decent fits passed around here every once in a while.


LOL it happens sometimes Garv :)

Personally I'd swap the burst rig for 2 metastasis rigs. While the burst give a slight boost to DPS it also use more cap but the meta rigs increase your tracking so the manual piloting becomes a lot easier to handle. You'll also be applying the damage better so the loss of the burst rig won't seem so significant.

In general I'd recomend 1 collsion and 2 metastasis rig for laser if you want to apply max damage with them.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#22 - 2013-07-02 21:02:51 UTC
[Executioner, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Its a small slicer. 15+2.5K With scorch, 132 DPS. The idea is To sit at the edge of scram range- and kite with your ab on / shutting down their MWD. Your really hard to hold down with this build, provided you learn how to use dual prop correctly :)
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#23 - 2013-07-02 21:06:14 UTC
But honestly- the best amarr frig is the slicer. It is one of the best pvp frigs in the game, and with the hull costing only 13mil is really cheap for the performance you get out of it
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#24 - 2013-07-02 21:08:16 UTC
Chessur wrote:
[Executioner, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I


Its a small slicer. 15+2.5K With scorch, 132 DPS. The idea is To sit at the edge of scram range- and kite with your ab on / shutting down their MWD. Your really hard to hold down with this build, provided you learn how to use dual prop correctly :)


The problem with this is the same with most dual prop setups on a 3 mid slot ship. Range control. If they are in range for you to use a scram then you are in web range and lose any ability to control range.
This fit is ok as a scram tackler to take on kitey stuff but you are porbably not tough enough to get to your target to shut them down with only a DC tank (in which the nano reduces as well)

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#25 - 2013-07-02 21:11:47 UTC
Chessur wrote:
But honestly- the best amarr frig is the slicer. It is one of the best pvp frigs in the game, and with the hull costing only 13mil is really cheap for the performance you get out of it


The slicer is a really nice frigate if you know how to fly them but the standard kitey setup is just screwed as soon as it meets a TD and this fit kills slicers all day long.

[Executioner, Amarrian Scout]

Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-07-02 21:28:14 UTC
Quote:
LOL it happens sometimes Garv :)

Personally I'd swap the burst rig for 2 metastasis rigs. While the burst give a slight boost to DPS it also use more cap but the meta rigs increase your tracking so the manual piloting becomes a lot easier to handle. You'll also be applying the damage better so the loss of the burst rig won't seem so significant.

In general I'd recomend 1 collsion and 2 metastasis rig for laser if you want to apply max damage with them.



Thanks ... I think? Straight

You make a good point on the rigs. I have not tried it wit the metastasis rigs but will, and it would apply better. The issue is that even with my setup and heat it still does only 157 dps with heat. I guess I have gotten too use to my 200+ dps Atron.

However, I will definitely give your rig setup a go. Good call.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#27 - 2013-07-02 21:40:04 UTC
Delucian wrote:
Quote:
LOL it happens sometimes Garv :)

Personally I'd swap the burst rig for 2 metastasis rigs. While the burst give a slight boost to DPS it also use more cap but the meta rigs increase your tracking so the manual piloting becomes a lot easier to handle. You'll also be applying the damage better so the loss of the burst rig won't seem so significant.

In general I'd recomend 1 collsion and 2 metastasis rig for laser if you want to apply max damage with them.



Thanks ... I think? Straight

You make a good point on the rigs. I have not tried it wit the metastasis rigs but will, and it would apply better. The issue is that even with my setup and heat it still does only 157 dps with heat. I guess I have gotten too use to my 200+ dps Atron.

However, I will definitely give your rig setup a go. Good call.


One of the general peices of advice when fighting pulse laser ships is get under their guns. I haven't had anything of a similar size get under my guns when using pulse lasers with that rig setup.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-07-02 21:42:41 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Delucian wrote:
Quote:
LOL it happens sometimes Garv :)

Personally I'd swap the burst rig for 2 metastasis rigs. While the burst give a slight boost to DPS it also use more cap but the meta rigs increase your tracking so the manual piloting becomes a lot easier to handle. You'll also be applying the damage better so the loss of the burst rig won't seem so significant.

In general I'd recomend 1 collsion and 2 metastasis rig for laser if you want to apply max damage with them.



Thanks ... I think? Straight

You make a good point on the rigs. I have not tried it wit the metastasis rigs but will, and it would apply better. The issue is that even with my setup and heat it still does only 157 dps with heat. I guess I have gotten too use to my 200+ dps Atron.

However, I will definitely give your rig setup a go. Good call.


One of the general peices of advice when fighting pulse laser ships is get under their guns. I haven't had anything of a similar size get under my guns when using pulse lasers with that rig setup.



Yep, that is exactly how I rip apart laser ship in the Atron; load CNAM, dive under the guns .... melt.

However, the character I use the Exe with cant fly the Atron, so I use the Exe. It does a very nice job and with the different rig setup should be even more formitable.

Thanks!
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#29 - 2013-07-02 22:01:09 UTC
How about a little out of the box thinking

[Executioner, MSE Neut]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Shield Extender II

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I
Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I

DPS
145/167 with INMF
162/186 with conflag

Cap life of 5mins with INMF, 3m 25s with Conflag.

No range control without a web but shouldn't have any problems hitting anything within scram range and if it wants to come close to apply damage then the neut will mess it up......hmmm might have to give this a go Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#30 - 2013-07-02 22:03:31 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Chessur wrote:
But honestly- the best amarr frig is the slicer. It is one of the best pvp frigs in the game, and with the hull costing only 13mil is really cheap for the performance you get out of it


The slicer is a really nice frigate if you know how to fly them but the standard kitey setup is just screwed as soon as it meets a TD and this fit kills slicers all day long.

[Executioner, Amarrian Scout]

Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I




That fit makes my eyes bleed.

I will take that steaming pile on with my slicer all day. Just let me know the time and place. The standard slicer is not screwed once it meets a single TD. A slicer has 24K+ optimal. A single unbounded TD with optimal range script is still giving the slicer a longer optimal than scram + web range. Not to mention the fact that the slicer still has the DPS advantage, and the speed advantage.

As for the dual prop executioner, the only ship that has more range control than you- is an AB frig with scram web. In any other situation- you have superior disengage ability, provided you can fly it right. If you do see an AB only frig, check out if they have a tank in their mids. if they do- fight them, and kill them. if they don't- then just fly way with your MWD, and don't engage. Unless you feel confident trying to kite out of scram (but within web) range long enough to kill their tank- before going in for the scram.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#31 - 2013-07-02 22:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Chessur wrote:


That fit makes my eyes bleed.

I will take that steaming pile on with my slicer all day. Just let me know the time and place. The standard slicer is not screwed once it meets a single TD. A slicer has 24K+ optimal. A single unbounded TD with optimal range script is still giving the slicer a longer optimal than scram + web range. Not to mention the fact that the slicer still has the DPS advantage, and the speed advantage.

As for the dual prop executioner, the only ship that has more range control than you- is an AB frig with scram web. In any other situation- you have superior disengage ability, provided you can fly it right. If you do see an AB only frig, check out if they have a tank in their mids. if they do- fight them, and kill them. if they don't- then just fly way with your MWD, and don't engage. Unless you feel confident trying to kite out of scram (but within web) range long enough to kill their tank- before going in for the scram.


Completely agree about the dual prop frigs. But seeing as you are fighting in web/scram range any frig setup for that i.e.web/scram will have total control over the engagement and you will have 0 chance to escape. Having said that I still fly a lot of frigs with cap boosters in the mids for neuts/reps ect and I'm always surprised when I come up against a scram fighter without a web.

As for the exe fit to kill slicers. I haven't lost a single one of these to a kite fit slicer. I'm faster, can reach out and touch them easier and can can TD them so they do 0 damage at the ranges we are talking about (24km optimal and 47.75% range disrupt gives 12.54km optimal) . I have however lost a fair few to the slicers buddies that they call in once they find out that they can't kill me :) but 1v1 within long point range without interuption....meh goodby slicer. Oh yeah and the fit is completely cap stable, not something you can achieve easily in a slicer.

The thing about slicers and TD's - yes they still have range over a scram fighter but you have to come a lot closer to apply damage. This also puts a lot more pressure on your piloting skills to ensure you don't get slingshotted and scrammed (if that happens, goodby slicer)

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#32 - 2013-07-02 22:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Chessur wrote:


That fit makes my eyes bleed.

I will take that steaming pile on with my slicer all day. Just let me know the time and place. The standard slicer is not screwed once it meets a single TD. A slicer has 24K+ optimal. A single unbounded TD with optimal range script is still giving the slicer a longer optimal than scram + web range. Not to mention the fact that the slicer still has the DPS advantage, and the speed advantage.

As for the dual prop executioner, the only ship that has more range control than you- is an AB frig with scram web. In any other situation- you have superior disengage ability, provided you can fly it right. If you do see an AB only frig, check out if they have a tank in their mids. if they do- fight them, and kill them. if they don't- then just fly way with your MWD, and don't engage. Unless you feel confident trying to kite out of scram (but within web) range long enough to kill their tank- before going in for the scram.


Completely agree about the dual prop frigs. But seeing as you are fighting in web/scram range any frig setup for that i.e.web/scram will have total control over the engagement and you will have 0 chance to escape. Having said that I still fly a lot of frigs with cap boosters in the mids for neuts/reps ect and I'm always surprised when I come up against a scram fighter without a web.

As for the exe fit to kill slicers. I haven't lost a single one of these to a kite fit slicer. I'm faster, can reach out and touch them easier and can can TD them so they do 0 damage at the ranges we are talking about (24km optimal and 47.75% range disrupt gives 12.54km optimal) . I have however lost a fair few to the slicers buddies that they call in once they find out that they can't kill me :) but 1v1 within long point range without interuption....meh goodby slicer. Oh yeah and the fit is completely cap stable, not something you can achieve easily in a slicer.

The thing about slicers and TD's - yes they still have range over a scram fighter but you have to come a lot closer to apply damage. This also puts a lot more pressure on your piloting skills to ensure you don't get slingshotted and scrammed (if that happens, goodby slicer)


First the executioner:

If you are fighting another frig that has Scram / Web / MWD

Here is how the fight goes:

You stay at the edge of scram range. You both scram- and your webbed. Now you OH your AB and burn away- out of his scram range. Once his scram drops your scram drops. Both of you turn on your MWD and you are slowly pulled back into scram range. When you both scram. Again OH your AB- rinse and repeat.

Against a frig that only has a scram:

Both go in and scram, turn on AB- kite at edge or scram while orbiting. GG

Against a frig with a disruptor:

Slingshot, OH Scram and MWD- kill

Against a frig with a web / disruptor

Slingshot, OH scram and MWD Kill

With that method, you will never get closer than 9K. Which is perfect for you. Guns are in optimal, and the DPS you are applying is really good from that range. AC's Blasters will not hit you. If you are fighting another pulse laser boat you are flirting on the edge or their falloff. So again you will applying significantly more dps with your range focused fit.

Now for the slicer:

Your executioner- Provided no links / snakes is only 100ms faster than my non linked, non snaked slicer. You can't keep range. You are just not fast enough for it to matter.When you take into account OH mwd cycles and what not. At the end of the day- you are using a beam lasers which are horrible.

The slicer-

Has more DPS (190 out to 24+K)
Has more EHP (Almost 3X yours)
Has better tracking. Which is a huge deal. Considering the fact that your ship will struggle to track me- provided that I am not flying in a straight line.

All for being 100ms slower. I will take the slicer every time.

Like I said- you give me the time and place, and I will show up with my slicer and kill that eye sore.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#33 - 2013-07-02 22:47:21 UTC
Now that i pick through your KB's

The only slicer kill I see within the last 6 months- is a slicer you killed in a rifter.

The slicer had ODI's and it also had shield rigs.... So congrats?

Also the second and last slicer you have ever killed- you did so in a merlin.

The slicer had 2 Poly, 1 aux thrust in the rigs, and a single armor hardener in the lows/


So it seems to me, that like most of the people that post here- you talk out of your behind. You have little PvP experience, and you certainly don't have any experience when it comes to killing competent slicer pilots.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#34 - 2013-07-03 00:16:41 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Now that i pick through your KB's

The only slicer kill I see within the last 6 months- is a slicer you killed in a rifter.

The slicer had ODI's and it also had shield rigs.... So congrats?

Also the second and last slicer you have ever killed- you did so in a merlin.

The slicer had 2 Poly, 1 aux thrust in the rigs, and a single armor hardener in the lows/


So it seems to me, that like most of the people that post here- you talk out of your behind. You have little PvP experience, and you certainly don't have any experience when it comes to killing competent slicer pilots.


LOL I was actually starting to think you were giving a decent discussion on the merits of various fits but since you decided you want to troll about my lackluster KB you lost all credability to compare. As anyone with any experience what so ever know KB are great for people to jump to the wrong conclusions about what actually happened during an engagement.

As I mentioned above I haven't lost one of my exe to a solo slicer EVER. The two exe I have lost that have had slicers on the lossmail did SFA damage to me before I shut them down and they called in the cavalry. But of course feel free to jump to the wrong conclusions because a KB says so Roll

As for your slicer v my exe. you have way more DPS if you get me in 12km....guess what, I am faster so no you won't get in that range. you can't outrun me so you will die. a bit slower then you would kill me IF you got in range. and after all in a min or so you'll cap out and then I'll just kill you slower. Really the TD does completly screw over the slicer in a kiting setup. That exe was designed to kill kiting slicers and as I have already stated (and yes you can check my KB Shocked) never lost to one 1v1.

Now for your combat analysis...yes that is what happens when you come across a scram/web/MWD but guess what anything fit for scram range brawling i.e scram/web/AB will murder you left right and center all day every day. You NEED to be in scram/web range to do damage. you have just delivered a free kill to the AB brawler designed to fight in that range. They WILL sit at their optimal range to kill you and no you have no ability to disengage what so ever. Also don't forget the exe is more agilie than the slicer as well, even the dual nanoed fit, so that coupled with the extra speed and the TD gives complete control over a 1v1 engagement. But hey what do I know cos the all knowing KB shows how bad I am right?!?!


Feel free to add me to any watchlists and come hunt me down if you feel the need to stroke your epeen I'm always up for a fight.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#35 - 2013-07-03 00:30:38 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Now that i pick through your KB's

The only slicer kill I see within the last 6 months- is a slicer you killed in a rifter.

The slicer had ODI's and it also had shield rigs.... So congrats?

Also the second and last slicer you have ever killed- you did so in a merlin.

The slicer had 2 Poly, 1 aux thrust in the rigs, and a single armor hardener in the lows/


So it seems to me, that like most of the people that post here- you talk out of your behind. You have little PvP experience, and you certainly don't have any experience when it comes to killing competent slicer pilots.


I'm bored at work so I'm also gonna take a bite of the lets slam people because of their KB's pie.

Looking at yours when did you last have a frig 1v1? In the first 5 pages your only solo kills are when you were way over shipped to your opponent. the vast majority of your kills are gang (small to medium) and most are in cruisers.......are you really the best person to be giving frig 1v1 advice? My KB isn't as nice looking as your but you'll notice that probably 90% of all my ships are frigs, I just have no ability to reign in my charge reflex when I see something I can shoot. Twisted

Come back and have a serious discussion about frig dogfighting when you actual fly them and know what you are talking about. kthxby Roll

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#36 - 2013-07-03 03:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
You

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15260596

Need

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16128980

To

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15278082

Troll

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15286520

Much

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15281536 <<<< HAY ITS A SLICER

Much

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15287712 <<<< Dat slicer

Harder

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15291373 <<< Lazorz



Now on to your comments about dual prop. Here are some kills using a dual prop crow.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15552649

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15311288 <<< Gasp is that a scram web I see? How did I control range?!

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15311287 <<< Omg scram web

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15309115

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15309359

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15313246

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15323901 <<< Omg scram web

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15327006

Long story short- you're wrong. Just dead wrong. Admit it, so that way the OP doesn't think that fitting beams to an executioner is a good thing, and stop giving wrong advice to new up and coming pilots.

Ok I am now tired of this. Enjoy some crow video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUuncNdAN0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwC6SeWOt34



Anytime you want to put your money where your mouth is, let me know about that slicer and ex duel. I have been asking you now three times to come and 1v1, yet you keep backing down. Stop running.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#37 - 2013-07-03 06:21:34 UTC
Ok you obviously haven't read what I posted.

Where in all those fancy KM is there a Scram, web, AFTERBURNER fit brawlers? Oh there wasn't any cos they would murder you.
And apart from the crow the executioner fit I posted could take pretty much any of the ships you have linked without breaking sweat.
I do hope you have more than those few kills to brag about your solo ability. Most of mine are solo (take that anyway you like )

I alread agreed with your analysis of combat against a MWD fit brawler.....after all that is exactly the reason dual prop fits came about in the first place.

Admittedly I didn't look past page 5 on your BC KB cos I bored at looking at anti frig caracals killing frigs. and those weren't even solo FFS.

And as I already mentioned feel free to hunt me down and show me how good your slicer is against my executioner. It's up to you if you want to waste your time like that. Big smile

To the OP, feel free to trust a KB warrior about how to get your arse handed to you in a proper brawl Shocked

I like you, you're funny P

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#38 - 2013-07-03 06:38:29 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Ok you obviously haven't read what I posted.

Where in all those fancy KM is there a Scram, web, AFTERBURNER fit brawlers? Oh there wasn't any cos they would murder you.
And apart from the crow the executioner fit I posted could take pretty much any of the ships you have linked without breaking sweat.
I do hope you have more than those few kills to brag about your solo ability. Most of mine are solo (take that anyway you like )

I alread agreed with your analysis of combat against a MWD fit brawler.....after all that is exactly the reason dual prop fits came about in the first place.

Admittedly I didn't look past page 5 on your BC KB cos I bored at looking at anti frig caracals killing frigs. and those weren't even solo FFS.

And as I already mentioned feel free to hunt me down and show me how good your slicer is against my executioner. It's up to you if you want to waste your time like that. Big smile

To the OP, feel free to trust a KB warrior about how to get your arse handed to you in a proper brawl Shocked

I like you, you're funny P


You are again dodging my desire to fight you in honorable frig combat. This would take less than 30min for it to get done, but you keep dodging the fight- and instead making off handed remarks. I am asking you to come and show me that you are indeed the superior pilot. Yet you tell me that I need to try to come and find you? Why can't we just.... you know work together and meet up? I mean if your not even going to break a sweat whats keeping you? Imagine being able to place my kill mail on the forums?

Also I spoke earlier about what the dual prop pilot should do when faced with scram / web / ab. You have a few options, but it certainly is playable. So again I am asking you, when can we honorable frigate battle for the gud fites?
Faelil Momaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-07-03 06:38:39 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Ok you obviously haven't read what I posted.

Where in all those fancy KM is there a Scram, web, AFTERBURNER fit brawlers? Oh there wasn't any cos they would murder you.
And apart from the crow the executioner fit I posted could take pretty much any of the ships you have linked without breaking sweat.
I do hope you have more than those few kills to brag about your solo ability. Most of mine are solo (take that anyway you like )

I alread agreed with your analysis of combat against a MWD fit brawler.....after all that is exactly the reason dual prop fits came about in the first place.

Admittedly I didn't look past page 5 on your BC KB cos I bored at looking at anti frig caracals killing frigs. and those weren't even solo FFS.

And as I already mentioned feel free to hunt me down and show me how good your slicer is against my executioner. It's up to you if you want to waste your time like that. Big smile

To the OP, feel free to trust a KB warrior about how to get your arse handed to you in a proper brawl Shocked

I like you, you're funny P



Until it got to the trollmails I thought the discussion/argument was actually really helpful; learned a lot about how frig fights works. Thanks to both of you :).

But just as a side note. Both the exec/slicer, just in my mind, would get wrecked by a drone ship/missile boat. Is this right? If so is there really any way for frigs to counter this?
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-07-03 06:48:03 UTC
Drones can be dealt with by killing them. Depending on a number of factors this can be hit or miss (quite literally). Missiles are generally dealt with by being that much faster than the explosion velocity to reduce incoming DMG.

Realistically once you take the "dictate range" part out of the equation the outcomes boil down to a DPS:tank ratio. Now of course there are any number of caveats for that ;)

For my personal and limited exp the real dance is in target selection and range dictation. Do those right and Dps/Tank ratio largely sorts itself out.
Previous page123Next page