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At what point is something an Exploit and not game Mechanics ? Bumped for 60 Minutes

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1161 - 2013-07-09 15:36:52 UTC
I'm wondering if these fellas are even capable of reading. They haven't been able to comprehend anything that proves this is intended mechanics, but are also incapable of understanding that posting gm correspondence is against the rules, cycling through alts when they get temp bans...
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#1162 - 2013-07-09 15:38:38 UTC
Why didn't you just log off?
Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1163 - 2013-07-09 15:40:57 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
This is the thread that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some players started posting in it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because . . .

This is the thread that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some players started posting in it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because . . .

This is the thread that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some players started posting in it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because . . .


This is the thread that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some players started posting in it not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because . . .
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1164 - 2013-07-09 16:04:35 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
The GM has spoken.

Time to find a new topic =)
You haven't let facts stop you so far. I'm sure you could argue that blue is actually blue, for a few more pages.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1165 - 2013-07-09 16:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Mag's wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
The GM has spoken.

Time to find a new topic =)
You haven't let facts stop you so far. I'm sure you could argue that blue is actually blue, for a few more pages.



I quite literally and succinctly mentioned that the OP should petition. He did. And even posted the results.

Whatever my abilities are, one of them is recognizing the fact the OP has met his goal of finding out.

Or are you truly that naive?

Or just really upset?

Maybe you shouldn't interact with people. There seems to be something wrong with your social skills.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1166 - 2013-07-09 16:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
The GM has spoken.

Time to find a new topic =)
You haven't let facts stop you so far. I'm sure you could argue that blue is actually blue, for a few more pages.



I quite literally and succinctly mentioned that the OP should petition. He did. And even posted the results.

Whatever my abilities are, one of them is recognizing the fact the OP has met his goal of finding out.

Or are you truly that naive?

Or just really upset?

Maybe you shouldn't interact with people. There seems to be something wrong with your social skills.
Oh I always get upset when proven right and see others fall on their faces so spectacularly. I just feel so sorry for them. They often try and post defensively to avoid admitting their fall. But it's OK, no one is laughing right now. Honest.

Edit: To make you feel better, I'll like your post.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1167 - 2013-07-09 16:30:01 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
The GM has spoken.

Time to find a new topic =)
You haven't let facts stop you so far. I'm sure you could argue that blue is actually blue, for a few more pages.



I quite literally and succinctly mentioned that the OP should petition. He did. And even posted the results.

Whatever my abilities are, one of them is recognizing the fact the OP has met his goal of finding out.

Or are you truly that naive?

Or just really upset?

Maybe you shouldn't interact with people. There seems to be something wrong with your social skills.
Oh I always get upset when proven right and see others fall on their faces so spectacularly. I just feel so sorry for them. They often try and post defensively to avoid admitting their fall. But it's OK, no one is laughing right now. Honest.

Edit: To make you feel better, I'll like your post.



I literally have no idea what you're trying to do or how I'm supposed to react.

Am I supposed to take this personally? I don't.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I enjoy the conversations! =)

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1168 - 2013-07-09 16:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Cura Ursus
GM posting deleted, and reported to CCP.


Do NOT post GM communications.


***EDIT: Thanks to a user for pointing out that undeleted stuffs is still not deleted. Correctly removed offending posts now.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#1169 - 2013-07-09 16:41:41 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:


I literally have no idea what you're trying to do or how I'm supposed to react.

Am I supposed to take this personally? I don't.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I enjoy the conversations! =)
We'll say no more and we all understand. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Multor Kaston
Doomheim
#1170 - 2013-07-12 13:47:45 UTC
If you are being bumped you should be able to "call" CCP for backup. I understand this could be exploited so some set of rules regarding when the "call" is available would have to be put in place.

Bumping someone endlessly so they end up VERY far from the gate, for the purpose of eventually ganking them, is PvP. You are engaging them in the first step of combat. As such CONCORD should intervene.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify this as a neutral act. Seems like a good excuse to not have to admit you're exploiting game mechanics P.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#1171 - 2013-07-12 14:37:29 UTC
Multor Kaston wrote:
If you are being bumped you should be able to "call" CCP for backup. I understand this could be exploited so some set of rules regarding when the "call" is available would have to be put in place.

Bumping someone endlessly so they end up VERY far from the gate, for the purpose of eventually ganking them, is PvP. You are engaging them in the first step of combat. As such CONCORD should intervene.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify this as a neutral act. Seems like a good excuse to not have to admit you're exploiting game mechanics P.



Do you even think before posting, friend? Do you stop for one second to think through the consequences your butthurt induced ramblings and ideas? If you make colliding with a ship a criminal offense, then what happens at the undock of stations, at gates, in fleet maneuvers, etc?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1172 - 2013-07-12 14:39:14 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Multor Kaston wrote:
If you are being bumped you should be able to "call" CCP for backup. I understand this could be exploited so some set of rules regarding when the "call" is available would have to be put in place.

Bumping someone endlessly so they end up VERY far from the gate, for the purpose of eventually ganking them, is PvP. You are engaging them in the first step of combat. As such CONCORD should intervene.

I'm not sure how anyone can justify this as a neutral act. Seems like a good excuse to not have to admit you're exploiting game mechanics P.



Do you even think before posting, friend? Do you stop for one second to think through the consequences your butthurt induced ramblings and ideas? If you make colliding with a ship a criminal offense, then what happens at the undock of stations, at gates, in fleet maneuvers, etc?


I'll tell you what happens. I sit on the undock in the biggest hitbox I can find, and blow people up all day long.

Then they hotfix it back to the way it was, and delete the 75 million threads about it that would pop on this very forum, calling for the head of the guy who proposed it in the first place.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Multor Kaston
Doomheim
#1173 - 2013-07-12 14:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Multor Kaston
I'll put it this way as well:
This game is attempting to recreate a sci-fi universe. As such, you will notice it has borrowed elements from various different sci-fi shows, movies books and games. In fact there are few true original ideas in this game; you can find nearly all of it within some form of media with the word "star" in it.

Let's take a look then at Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon, whatever the hell you want to think of. If a group of pirate ships were to surround the good guys, would they not hail for help? If a group of pirates were forcing a friendly Starship to be unable to move for 1 hour, would they not send a signal to Starfleet for assistance?

I understand this is EvE, this is not X Y Z sci-fi show. I don't want them to be identical. But it has to make sense. There is a reason why NO science fiction universe besides EvE would allow an innocent trader to be ****** around with like that, while good guys are standing around in the same star system twiddling their fingers. It just doesn't make sense, OF COURSE you would hail them for help, and OF COURSE they would, at the very least, "break it up".
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1174 - 2013-07-12 15:06:31 UTC
Dude...

Quote:
This game is attempting to recreate a sci-fi universe


This game is actually recreating a submarine simulation. The game is played in a fluidic model.
Quote:

This game is attempting to recreate a sci-fi universe. As such, you will notice it has borrowed elements from various different sci-fi shows, movies books and games. In fact there are few true original ideas in this game; you can find nearly all of it within some form of media with the word "star" in it.

Let's take a look then at Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon, whatever the hell you want to think of. If a group of pirate ships were to surround the good guys, would they not hail for help? If a group of pirates were forcing a friendly Starship to be unable to move for 1 hour, would they not send a signal to Starfleet for assistance?


Ok, let's examine this, shall we?

All of those organizations, have MUCH faster FTL drive speeds than EVE does. EVE has speeds in the game that we use on a minute by minute basis that would require time travel in any of those continuties. You might not see it on the shows, but Star Trek FTL travel is slow as hell, it would take them hours, days even, to travel what the show does in minutes.

That said, CONCORD cannot intervene in actions that are not against the Yulai Convention. That being, the in game rules for aggression. They are soley based on module use. Bumping is not module use. You are not attacking them. The game cannot make the distinction between an accidental bump and a purposeful one, so nothing can be done about it, by default.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#1175 - 2013-07-12 15:52:54 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


Do you even think before posting, friend?


lol, why do you ask questions you know the answer to...that answer being "of course not" .....
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#1176 - 2013-07-12 17:05:59 UTC
Multor Kaston wrote:
I'll put it this way as well:
This game is attempting to recreate a sci-fi universe. As such, you will notice it has borrowed elements from various different sci-fi shows, movies books and games. In fact there are few true original ideas in this game; you can find nearly all of it within some form of media with the word "star" in it.

Let's take a look then at Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon, whatever the hell you want to think of. If a group of pirate ships were to surround the good guys, would they not hail for help? If a group of pirates were forcing a friendly Starship to be unable to move for 1 hour, would they not send a signal to Starfleet for assistance?

I understand this is EvE, this is not X Y Z sci-fi show. I don't want them to be identical. But it has to make sense. There is a reason why NO science fiction universe besides EvE would allow an innocent trader to be ****** around with like that, while good guys are standing around in the same star system twiddling their fingers. It just doesn't make sense, OF COURSE you would hail them for help, and OF COURSE they would, at the very least, "break it up".


Who says they're innocent?

And you absolutely should be able to call for help. From your friends.

Anyway, the difference is that EVE's a futuristic dystopia where the universe's you mention are aspiring to be utopias (no idea about Babylon).

CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.


Aura used to cackle when you died.

You, as a capsuleer demi-god, are responsible for your own safety and security. CONCORD is not there to protect you, they're there to prevent full scale capsuleer wars from devastating the Empires. They do this by destroying anyone engaged in illegal aggression.

Now, if you'd like bumping to count as aggression, I also want CONCORD to do my ganking for me. Twisted

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1177 - 2013-07-12 17:22:24 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Aura used to cackle when you died.

This needs to be reinstated ASAP.Lol

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tulak Thul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1178 - 2013-07-12 18:33:05 UTC
You could not log off and log back in?
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#1179 - 2013-07-16 20:30:32 UTC
ISD Cura Ursus wrote:
GM posting deleted, and reported to CCP.


Do NOT post GM communications.


***EDIT: Thanks to a user for pointing out that undeleted stuffs is still not deleted. Correctly removed offending posts now.

And this is why the same question gets asked 100 times. And this is why rules are never clear to the public. Because GMs are some super sekrit bunch of dudes that can never be held accountable for rulings on issues in the game.

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