EVE General Discussion

Still waiting for an answer as to why there should be a hard limit on the time we have available to shoot spaceships in a spaceship shooting game.

For someone who has posted an awful lot in 30 pages, you don't ever seem to say much

Ggod forbid we have fun while we make isk

It's rude to ignore people you know.

More of a socratic line of inquiry.

So being rude is the appropriate response when someone merely questions an argument you made? That's rather childish.

I was merely asking how, in the situations I presented, you would be able to determine harassment - and to illustrate that intent does play a key part in these decisions.

If your response to that is to be rude then I think we can all see what little weight your points have.

It's rude not to do your reading before asking a question.

Responding to rudeness with rudeness is childish, but appropriate.

Red herring.

It's easy. It should not take you that long to kill something that cannot fight back. The same mechanic that allows you to keep a ship online and in space should not allow someone else to dock up.

There should be a diminishing return as to put the burden of performance on the aggressor.

Otherwise you would be cutting your own throat forcing freighter pilots to find alternate means to transport stuff based off of mechanics.

But again, he's not locked down by any game mechanic. He was locked down by his own dogged insistence on trying to get away with his ship intact. He had tons of outs — hell, if I understood the last revelation correctly, he wasn't even aggressed for large portions of that hour (but that could just be his confusing inability to properly describe what happened and/or his lack of understanding of the mechanics involved).

…and CCP's opinion is that the “certain amount of time” is counted in days or weeks, and that you have all the tools you need at your disposal to get rid of them. It's up to you to choose which one you'll use. If you have no other options, it already is an exploit, because apparently, they've managed to get hold of ships that don't bump (but then, how do they manage to bump the freighter!?), modules that somehow restrict you from warping without triggering an aggression flag (but then, why are they bumping?!), modules that keep you from logging off, ejecting, calling for help, etc etc etc.

The victim's decision not to make use of the tools at his disposal does not mean the aggressor is exploiting.

Or, put another way, for an hour, three people were jockeying for position to respectively get the target into a good attack position and trying to avoid getting into that position. It may not have been the crazed excitement of sonars and coasting silently and crazy ivans of other submarine fiction, but it was a hunt none the less — I don't find it particularly silly that such contests can drag on. In fact, I think it's pretty neat that the game allows for it: an entire combat that is not dictated by the firing of guns, but of positioning and the struggle to get the upper hand.

Now that's silly. Ruining other people's play is at the very heart of the game, and it comes in a myriad of forms — blowing people up is just one minute option. As long as there are ways to combat this kind of jockeying for position (and there are), it's all fine and dandy.

When you undock log in, your game can be ruined. It's what makes this game so much better than the competition: the fact that you have all these people out there who are (occasionally) out to ruin your day, and you have to make sure it doesn't get ruined by them.

And an even smaller result in a gank that took over an hour to accomplish right?

I guess that's not the point of in "excess" then.

But the amount of time should be.