EVE General Discussion

So don't stuff the thing full of goodies then. Its the most simple answer and works every time.

You have offered two counters: 1) Don't undock, and 2) Bring friends. Neither of these is a real counter-tactic. The question is, if a solo freighter pilot is picked for death is there anything at all he or she can do to prevent it? You haven't offered anything yet. Now, you might want to pursue the line that no freighter should ever fly without an escort but no one, least of all CCP, is going to take that seriously. They have shown time and again that if they think a method of ganking is too easy for the ganker or makes life impossible for the gankee (yes, even those damnable solo players) they will eventually correct for it. And time and again you have stood, Canute-like, in the waves ordering the tide not to come in. I suspect your protestations will have as much impact this time as they have done before. Your views about solo players just aren't the same as CCP's.

Edit - I gave the English spelling of Canute rather than the original Cnut because I didn't want you to think I meant something else

******** argument though. Its a freighter its supposed to be stuffed with goodies. It should be able to be used for its intended purpose to a reasonably reliable degree. How would you like to have your ships suicided regularly unless you left half your slots empty?.

Its like a tugboat.

If webbers were designed to pull. They're designed to hold a target still.

Thus, a very messy mechanic.

I don't have to imagine. It's quite easy, and if they get the weird sly smirk, you know something has clicked — they've finally grasped EVE.

No. I can and will base my numbers just fine on what the gankers plan for: a single run that will be enough to kill a freighter in the 15 seconds allotted.

…and make yourself less of a target.
…and pick the road less travelled.
…and tweak the stats to something they don't expect.
…and learn the aggression mechanics (because these things don't take 60 minutes — in fact, this is where the OP went wrong most spectacularly).

It's not like it's a completely unreasonable and horrible suggestion to bring friends — that's what the gankers do, and that's why they can do what they do. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this is why they should win such an outcome (even such a massively bungled one as this).

Says who? It's a freighter — it's supposed to transport bulk goods. Bulk goods have a tendency to be rather cheap and not worth ganking over. If you want to move goodies around, there are far better options available.

Confidence and accuracy are two very different things. I've admittedly been oversimplifying because you can typically tweak the TP/(FP+TP) rate as high as you want at the expense of the FNR. Really, you want to look at TPR vs. FPR vs. TNR vs. FNR.

In any case, credit card fraud is always the default example in data mining (and quite applicable) so here's a quick google result: http://news.byu.edu/archive12-sep-frauddetection.aspx



They don't really skew the results in your favor. The whole point of bumping is to minimize logistics cost. Regardless, you're looking at an easy 250m/hr/person after expenses which is quite high by hisec standards and pretty much unheard of by piracy standards.

None of which can actually stop you being killed if you are picked for destruction and your attackers are competent. You said it yourself - if the attack is done properly the freighter is dead. The counters you offer are suggestions as to how not to be picked as a target, not counter-tactics that can be applied when you are picked.

You promise?

They make the ship get into warp faster by making it have a lower top speed. Its working exactly as designed, that's why you scram targets before webbing them.