EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

We will see a lot of one-sided matches.

But that is because those winning teams put in the necessary dedication for this.

I have been flying in AT9 once (Raiden vs Darkside) and I took part in Test Realm Trainings like twice before. And you obviously see the difference in dedication. ISK was not an issue there even.

And those teams that have the dedication also have the ISK to back their dedication up with the proper fittings. 13 or 8 charge ASBs won't change a lot there.

Agreeing with Destoya - if you can find any way of keeping 13-charge ASB's out, please do.

It was not meant to showcase anything and merely an example.

It is the other way round: Those teams with dedication are not limited by their available ISK. Your second part is basically denying the definition of dedication: If you are dedicated you will do everything to assure you are winning. This goes from tactics etc to assuring you bring the best possible ships for the job. You do not risk anything by flying the second best fit or ship for the job.

Recent tournament winners second this statement.

EDIT: Anyway, I think it's a pointless discussion now. Everybody probably has his opinion on this matter. CCP shall judge this, but if they really want to forbid this (an announced change, giving everybody the chance to prepare - and if you did not think about it back then, you probably do not deserve winning AT anyway), then they better remove flagships as well as fancy limited edition ships for this decision to be consistent.

I think what he's trying to say is that the rich teams already have an advantage in tier 3 faction ammo, unique tournament ships, and better flagship modules (hint: they dont mean anything if you dont use them effectively, see PL's ATX match), so overloaded ASB are fine.

Just by the way, I did some math with a Sleipnir being repped by a scimitar against a team with 4000 DPS to better illustrate the advantage of overloaded ASBs, which I find is a quite reasonable situation to find oneself in. EHP numbers are after all charges of ASB, and also without overheating the scimi's reps.

Balanced Sleip has 147.9k EHP and takes 76 seconds to die
Overloaded Sleip has 186.1k EHP and takes 97 seconds to die

overheating the scimi makes the disparity slightly worse, increasing the "death gap" to almost 25 seconds. A team with lower applied DPS also sees the overheated sleipnir come farther ahead as it can rely less on the ASB charges. Remember in that ~20-25 seconds said sleipnir and the rest of the team is dealing massive amounts of damage, and the number keeps increasing as that 4000 DPS is whittled away.

By the way, I do not find the argument that people who didn't keep old ships in their hangars were not "dedicated" to winning the tournament compelling, especially since said ships were just a result of CCP's inability to implement balance changes retroactively in certain scenarios.

I would like to point out that this ruling actually favors my team, as we have the capability to actually attain them when the others on the way up the ladder may lack the memberbase, connections, financial means, or "dedication" to obtain overloaded ships. Still, I am trying to convince CCP to reverse this in whatever way possible as I feel it's quite detrimental to the quality of the tournament as a whole for the reasons I outlined here and on the first page. (Just so you know, I personally would have no real problem if they banned prize ships, tier 3 ammo, augmented drones, and deadspace/officer modules on flagships (faction is still reasonable I think))

Hopefully that's sarcasm, Veritas.

Both legacy ASB and AT prize ships are:
1. Significantly more powerful than other ships with the same number of points.
2. Relatively rare.

The difference is, of course that seeing a 13-charge ASB sleipnir explode is not as exciting as watching (say) a Mimir explode. I would argue, though, that this is irrelevant to making the tournament fair, which IMO is much more important. The other option to make it fair is to have these ships cost more (say 1 point).

Another difference is that it is based on a broken mod. The others are ships. Do we really want to see a year old imbalance on a poster event?

Logical, why do you look like me!?

Copying me! :'(

It was not sarcasm, no.

The reasons we would prefer to not allow overfull modules is not related to either of those points. We had considered their power and rarity and were fine with them on those terms. Our thoughts have changed after the following points were brought up:
1 - They cannot be spotted (and workarounds like "name your ship like this" have exactly the same enforcement problem as disallowing does)
2 - They are not available to be practiced against.

Both of those considerations are covered for fancy limited edition ships and flagships, so the claim that we must remove them if we disallow overfull modules is not logical.

It's true that #1 applies to flagships, save that we have a process in place to deal with it already and the scope is limited to one ship per team.