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I am currently working on training some of my accounts after I started 5 new accounts. These accounts will be trained up into miners most likely in a retrievers maybe up into barges+. I have a account that has a freighter pilot, and another account that could soon be flying a Orca with mining foreman 5.

Plan..

5x Retrievers (Miners)
1x Orca (Mining Foreman 5, Boosts, Holder for Hauler)
1x Freighter Pilot (Hauler)

But I have been going over if it would be better money to do PI, Manufacturing, or something like that?

I know nobody wants to give up there secrets, and don't think i am being lazy I have spent a lot of time reading, googling and such.

I have ways to make money (Level 4's), I have a few character who have decent PI skills but have never indulged in it. I have a few characters who can do some minor to medium amounts of trading and could potentially train up more so for this but when I dabbled it seemed like to much of a time intensive task though I think I was doing it wrong by being in a major trade hub.

So if anyone can point me to maybe articles in particular, or just generally advice on how to make it profitable to have 10 accounts and pay for them in plex with left over money as well as not spending a ridiculous amount of time on the project I would appreciate it.

Am I wrong in from what I have researched that a retriever can make 20 million+ a hour with orca boosts? This is just what has popped up through my research.

I figured I would need to mine between 23 and 42 hours a month to plex 10 accounts. 23 being if I had max boosts, max mining skills with zero down time, and 42 with it being no boosts just a hauler. I don't mind devoting this much time if it means my accounts are free to play and I average easily double that amount of time in Eve.

Mainly I just want to use my time productively and build up wealth for a variety of uses as well as plex my accounts.

I don't use ISboxer and I do about 180m~/hr in 6 retrievers and 3 macks in highsec with a fully booster orca. Retriever pilots just upgraded to macks, getting shield skills fleshed out and moving to null to pop that income up even more so.

people like mining. It's not different popping rocks for an hr or two than jumping 30 systems for 3 hrs hoping to find a fight.

If you have 10 accounts, why not dedicate the 8-10 days per character on each account to be able to use 5 planets with the second best command station upgrade for PI?

Sure if your doing it high sec and do teh stupid thing of extracting from high sec planets you will make pittance, even if you make it into P2/P3 goods, however if you make P1 into P2 or P1 tto P3/4 etc your profits will go up for next to zero investment.

Put it this way, doing VERY rough napkin math here, with CCU4 you can make roughly 1-2 million per planet per day profit in high sec if you make the right stuff, more if you can get it working top efficiency however it requires finding REAL small planets and CCU5.

Now if you have 10 accounts, thats 30 characters. Getting 5 planets per character. That's a good profit. You would however totally flood the markets and crash the prices and kill the profitability in little under 5 days and eat so much other materials they too would boost in price.


Now doing high sec extraction and making into say P2's, you would made at a guess around 200-300k per day per planet, quite possibly much more if you find good planets and use the right cycles/efficient setups and be less likely to kill markets.

The down side?

Expect to spend ALOT of time hauling and setting up 150 planets. Setting up 5 planets drives me nuts as is as does moving extractor heads on the toons I have in low/null sec. Could be worth while if youdo it on a few characters, but doing it on more is madness, even if you have them all using the same 5 planets.

If you want a near total AFK income stream, go for a few POS's and go nuts with R&D and selling the BPO's/finished products. needs lots of research into the market, but you would make more for less time. It also has the bonus of once set up and stuff makign, you can go and mine to relax if that's your thing or rat, or troll local or go pew pew in null.

I mine with 2 + Rorq boost, in null (3 chars). I would easily make enough for 3 plex in a month, probably more. Enough to fully fund a couple of new characters.

If you need 10 characters, you're doing it wrong, or you have no idea what you are actually trying to do.

Hello, I have some experience regarding this.
My current team is:
1x Foreman
1x Freighter/Miner
13x Miners

Some points I need to make:
1: You do NOT need ISBoxer to run this many accounts. It's main helpfulness is doing anything that requires mass control. It's helpful, not required.

2: You will need at least 1GB of ram per Miner you wish to run smoothly. This is to make it so virtual memory isn't called up all the time.

3: You will need at least 1GB GPU ram card, 2GB is better.

4: The better your CPU the better your experience.

5: Turn all settings to low.

6: Do not put all your miners in a single belt. Stripping a belt dry seems awesome and all, but your efficiency quickly runs down the toilet.

7: Pre-setup all your miners warp points (This can be used by ISBoxer or by hand.) So that they warp into the perfect spot to cover the most roids as possible.

8: Plan a route. Letting a belt rest for up to 3 days makes it so you get the most ore for your mining op. The time it takes to relocated a fleet for a light system (heavily mined each day) to a new system is time wasted.

9: Don't start mining roids that are close to popping. This causes massive cycle waste. Example: 1 cycle of plag at 1803m3 per cycle is 5,151. If the roid is just slightly under that, no harm to start it. but to start mining a 7500 roid will cause a half cycle waste. But to start one at 10,302 or slightly under it is fine. minimal waste. You want to learn the unit amount your lasers get to minimize wasted cycles.

10: Don't use your boosting Orca to haul. 10 man fleets will overload the Orca and cause you to pretty much never have a boost. "bring a second Orca" I say bring a freighter pilot that also mines. Your 10 man retriever fleet will put out about 32,000 m3 of ore every 180 seconds, or about 48,000 m3 per 180 seconds with max speed boost.

10b: Using your boosting Orca is much more damaging than helpful. Say our strip miners mine at 1803m3 per 120 seconds due to boosts. That strip miner we are getting 54,090m3 per hour with max speed boost, or 15.025 per second. At normal speed 1803 per 180s, we only get 36,060m3 of ore per hour, or 10.01666~ per second.
Each time the boosting Orca goes into warp we lose 5.008333~ m3 of ore per second. To make a run, lets say takes 3 minutes. From warping to docking to warping back. That is 180 seconds lost. We lost 901.5 m3 of ore per strip miner. We have 9 miners with 2 strip miners, which gives us 16,227 m3 of ore lost to a single warp.
If the miners mine non-stop, we will need to make 5 trips. That will bring our loss to 81,135m3 of ore lost per hour using the boosting Orca to haul. Now if one of the miners spent the same amount of time (15min) to go grab all the cans in a freighter and go dump and come back to mine, we only lose 27,045 m3 of ore for that one trip per hour. Exactly 1/3 of the other methods waste, and 66.66~% more efficient than using an Orca who has to be cargo fitted (meaning it is slow, and paper thin and will die in under 10 seconds. maybe less than 5 even.) And many many many more times more efficient than a tanked Orca doing the runs.

11: Doing PI on mining alts is A-OK. Since you can do planet view AS you mine. Extra income doesn't hurt, but focus on getting your mining skills skilled first, they bring in more iskies than PI does.

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To fund 10 accounts with mining you will need to mine roughly 27,500,000m3 of ore per month. About 29 hours worth of work at max skills. Or about 43 hours for unboosted. Pretty much about the same time it takes so solo mine for a plex.

As for tips:
•Work your way up to ten accounts. doing all ten once can be disheartening.
•Insure, Insure, Insure, and did I mentionit? Insure.
•When flying something big, keep an eye on your local, if it suddenly blows up, docks your spendy ships.
•Stick with rets until you can bankroll rebuys and refits of 3 fleets of T2 mining ships.

why not skill the miners on the open toon slots untill they are ready to be moved into seperate accts?

yes but it takes a roughly 3 months to get a worthy miner including tanking skills so after they are skilled you start a new acct plex it
transfer the finished miner and get 90 days with a fully skilled miner

To be honest with you, after like a week of handling this many accounts, it becomes no different than handling 1 client.
That changes the moment you start using hulks though.
Hulks are best in a fleet, if the Hulks are handled by different people. They become the greatest pain in the ass the moment you have to deal with 10 hulks super small cargo space by yourself.

As for making ends meet, there is no difference between mining in one account to plex it to mining 10 accounts. It is about 2-3 hours more per non-miner in the fleet.

Feel free to flood the Market and kill it good and dead.