Science & Industry

I don't follow your point: So, since harvesting resources, shooting rats, and extracting moon goo is more profitable/available in lowsec & nullsec, it is alright for highsec to be best for Manufacturing, Refining, and most S&I activities, regardless of the risk vs reward differences? Seriously?

And I am with Agony, of course I support changes that put players and their assets in nullsec!!! Also, Agony doesn't have an SRP... our members make income any means they can: Ratting, exploration, industry, WH's, Incursions, and even mining (although if you find an Agony pilot in a mining barge, it is probably a tarp).

I am not understanding how engineering the game to tacitly coerce players into having fun in the manner favored developers want them to have fun is consistent with either the sandbox theme of this game or its continued success.

I am not a developer, however, and perhaps it is wise in this time of tight money and increasing competition to try to force people to have fun the way they want people to have fun.

But I am not going to waste much time worrying about it. Should ccp's way of having fun eat into my way of having fun I will simply move to other games.

Its their game, its my money and each of us has 100% control over our respective things.

How is it, all these smart people miss the simple things. We have plenty of world history to show us the same pattern over and over again, yet some how players and CCP think they can over come human nature? Not going to happen

Null sec won't thrive until people can specialize in resource gathering, or manufacturing or shipping with out also having to be a rifleman and be a refuge every couple of months. As Eric Raeder points out in post 36, the stability needed for null industry defeats the purpose of null. Maybe that is what should be examined. What is the purpose of null. If it is truly the place for empire building, then more tools are needed in that regard. How to do that and while not creating, strong empires that can't be toppled by force.

Perhaps that too is not the right kind of thinking. Perhaps strong and stable, but smaller empires, would be better.

What the null sec cartels want is all the benefits of null sec (more resources, more ISK intensive resources, a monopoly on the scare resources in the game, far more rich bounties on rats), but none of the downsides of null (no large centralized market hubs, and supposedly higher risk of ship destruction).

To that end, we are seeing a campaign to further increase null sec income potential, and give it much larger industrial capabilities. Odessey gave null sec an order of magnitude increase in mfg slots on stations, another massive increase in ore and ice resources compared to high sec. We also have at least 2 of the null sec CSM members quoted on the forums clamouring for a reduction of high sec mfg capabilities and large increases in costs per mfg slot. Plus we have soundwave stating last week he wants to do away with perfect refine, which is basically a high sec and low sec feature.

Of course, when I say mfg slot, that is a generic term to include R&D slots as well.
Any industrialist who does any T2 mfg will tell you that the bottleneck is the copying phase, not the actual manufacture of the finished product.

What I envision 12 months from now (covers the next 2 releases) is that we will have a null sec where once again that is a sea of blue, with single stations capable of far outstripping entire constellations of high sec production. And to create the centralized null sec market hubs (aka null Jita), I imagine some enterprising cartel will create freeports for all blue manufacturers to sell their goods.

The purpose of all this is to completely remove the necessity of null sec to interact with high sec at all, other than to export products and raw materials to high sec that high sec cannot produce themselves (anything that has a T2 component). And for those that control the null sec cartel wallets, there is another reason: Imagine the income streams that will flow into the wallets of those that set the refine, R&D and mfg slot rates at the null sec stations, if high sec slots are far more scarce and far more expensive. Once that is all accomplished null sec will indeed have all the benefits it enjoys today, plus the ones that high sec supposedly enjoys today also.

Jester, a CSM member, has mentioned in his blog that the CSM and CCP are discussing "big changes to industry", some that will extend over more than one release. It is clear to see we won't have to wait too long to see what these changes are, and how close they are to the trends established with Odessey industrial buffs to null sec and nerfs to high sec.

Not a lot of chicks in EvE my friend... despite what some avatars look like...

Unless you're referring to the kind with feathers... probably more of those and they don't weigh much, so picking them up is easy.

If this high sec oasis had the same income potential as the traditional high sec zone, no, it would not be a big issue.
But that is not what the null sec cartels want.

They want their cake, and not just eat that, but eat the high sec cake too.
It is not enough to gain the same security benefits as high sec, while keeping all the immense ISK potential of null sec.
No, they want that, plus the utter destruction of high sec profitability as well.

And CCP is giving it over to them, bowing, and scraping the entire way making sure not to offend any cartels while they, careful to avoid eye contact, deside, with Goons permission, to leave, out the back door with no fight.

You will ruin EvE and when you do, i'll laugh the loudest.

I was wondering why my tinfoil stocks were spiking. Thanks for making me rich you wonderful being you.

Most players in high sec are "casual" players. I play between 5-15 hours per week, that to me is casual. Null sec corps want a more active, hardcore player. They don't want casual players that only play a few hours per week. The easiest thing to do is to buff wormholes and null sec and leave high sec alone. Make wormholes and null sec so much greater than everywhere else players will "have" to be there. Let players be drawn to null sec by great riches and rewards and not by trying to force them to go there.

High sec is the most populated section of Eve. Each high sec player pays for a sub, whether it is credit card or PLEX. That PLEX is somehow bought to be put into the game, which means money in CCP's pocket.

Messing around too much with high sec is just stupid business policy. I have never seen a business succeed long term by negatively effecting their biggest customer base. It's much harder to get a pissed off customer to return, than it is to keep them happy in the first place. Major changes to high sec industry, refining or whatever is just a dumb business idea.

The logic escapes me, mining is so damn boring, so what CCP proposes to do is reduce refine rates so people have to do more boring mining in High Sec, just improve refining in 0.0 and be done with it, its not my fault that all those Null Sec players are not prepared to upgrade their stations, so why the hell should I have to sit there mining more so that null sec can feel better about themselves not paying for Station upgrades to get perfect refining, its their fault not mine and in terms of the game why wouldn't the stations in HS have perfect refining with the right skills. There is no damn logic in this CCP, its stupid with a capital S, why annoy the majority of your player base, makes no sense!