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Way over the line

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-06-30 01:19:14 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:

Have you ever thought about that your ingame actions could hurt a squeamish person in a similar way as those words tho?
Some people just have a hard time to distinguish between game and irl. Guess what i'm trying to say is that i support your complaint but at the same time am a bit baffled that you don't hold that high standard to your ingame actions because i think people wouldn't say such things if they wouldn't feel violated irl by what happend to them ingame.

To give you an example. When i gank some miner noob i empasize with them. In my mind i see some guy in front of his PC who's sad and angry. I would consider it fair game if he calls me names or whatever. But if it would really bother me that people have emotional reactions like this i simply wouldn't play in such a way.



If those in-game actions are allowed within the game then nobody should feel violated, if they do then they shouldn't be playing the game.

If you keep the verbal disagreements in character then there shouldn't be much of a problem. It's when you take them out of character such as referring to real life that you make it personal.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#22 - 2013-06-30 01:20:21 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:

It's the internet. ....

15 years ago this might have been a valid point. The fact that people still use it is a bit sad. It shows three things:

1. kids are terrible people, though they're supposed to learn not to be from adults.
2. some supposed adults never evolve beyond childhood because of the lack of consequences of their actions.
3. 1 is not happening as well as it used to because of 3.

There is hope though:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months

Twisted
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2013-06-30 01:22:47 UTC
Setaceous wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:

It's the internet. ....

15 years ago this might have been a valid point. The fact that people still use it is a bit sad. It shows three things:

1. kids are terrible people, though they're supposed to learn not to be from adults.
2. some supposed adults never evolve beyond childhood because of the lack of consequences of their actions.
3. 1 is not happening as well as it used to because of 3.

There is hope though:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months

Twisted


Idk, I fail to see how such a drastic over-reaction to simple words means that there is hope for humanity. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones"?

I mean, unless adding /sarcasm is going to have be a law now, because people can't manage to comprehend it through text.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Demolishar
United Aggression
#24 - 2013-06-30 01:29:06 UTC
If this is a serious post, it is quite sad.

Truly proof of how you can have everything - and nothing.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#25 - 2013-06-30 01:29:14 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Yummy Yummy Yummy wrote:
I know I am not liked in eve and I do stuff that annoys and angers others in the game , but its a GAME.

.


And you still wonder why...

All of a sudden you become weak and suffer of depression when someone talks sh*it but at the same time you do horrible sh*t in game and expect others to....do what ?

I guess what goes around, comes around...


So if a disabled person bluffs you in a hand of poker you'd go round the table and tip them our of their wheelchair? If not, then why would you get a clinically depressed person to kill themselves if they blew up your pixels?
Adunh Slavy
#26 - 2013-06-30 01:33:28 UTC
8/10

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#27 - 2013-06-30 01:35:08 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
If those in-game actions are allowed within the game then nobody should feel violated, if they do then they shouldn't be playing the game.

If you keep the verbal disagreements in character then there shouldn't be much of a problem. It's when you take them out of character such as referring to real life that you make it personal.


I completely agree with this on base of game rules and principle. Just trying to point something out to OP. Eve is not for the squemish. If OP is sincerely concerned about depressed and suicidal people then ganking, scamming or whatever is not gonna help their mental stability either. So drawing a line at these words seems a bit hypocritical to me from that perspective. It's a fact that many people will take it personaly what happens to them ingame. So i think either an Eve player in practical terms has to grow a bit of a thick skin or play nice irl and ingame.
FlamesOfHeaven
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-06-30 01:46:32 UTC
A well explained petition should do the trick.
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-06-30 02:05:02 UTC
the world is a nasty place

and while we can't get rid of nastiness everywhere, it doesn't mean we have to tolerate it in our community.

I've been mean, I've definitely said things on the internet I shouldn't have, and when I've been reprimanded for it I realize my error in hindsight. It's funny how caught up you can get in the internet b.s. if you don't watch yourself.

When you petition people get warned, if they can't learn after that to keep the game in the game and RL in RL, then they will deservingly get banned and the community will be better for it.

I'll go one further. When I was a young kid I was a bully, it wasn't until I got much older that I realized just how *****y that was of me and helped me and thankfully I learned to mature and be a better person to the people around me.
One thing bullies and internet ***** bags don't realize or want to admit to: They have serious problems they need to work out. Until they do they are toxic people and will spread that toxicity.. they'll say it's just good fun, they didn't mean it... it's all b.s.

I think this new generation (at least in my country) that is calling people out for their bullying is a great and under appreciated movement. The more of this that carries into the internet the better. We can be a mean people, but we don't need to be. And we don't need to sterilize our environment, but what we do need is to establish strict boundaries and enforce them.

The internet is a relatively new phenomenon and we are learning more and more that the anonymity and difficulty in interpreting intent and tone in written form ('not sure if srs' type of thing) can lead to a very toxic environment if we don't manage it responsibly


I don't think goonswarm embodies this or anything, but a lot of the grief play they do can sometime get real borderline and there is a part of their community (and many many others) that can't even recognize when they cross over the line. I use them as an example only! They are a diverse group and I don't think the majority of their players represent this. It's just a known stereotype I'm entertaining for an easily related example


so yeah, tl;dr, petition repeatedly until it gets the attention the EULA demands

tell people you want to hunt them down, destroy all their possessions and pod the crap out of them IN GAME. This game IS a game of violent conflict. But it should never go further than the game itself.

anything negative regarding RL simply shouldn't be tolerated.

*And that includes the metagame too, which is a whole other box of mess caused by people with serious personal mental/maturity problems.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#30 - 2013-06-30 02:33:50 UTC
Yummy Yummy Yummy wrote:
I know I am not liked in eve and I do stuff that annoys and angers others in the game , but its a GAME.

I had today again for the 3rd time this month someone tell me to Kill myself in rl even describing how they wanted me to do it.

I just don't understand how some people can value a human life as so little, trying to push someone to kill themselves

I did the usual petition but im worried the GM's are not taking it seriously.

I just wanted to say before you think its funny to push someone to so something horrible to others or themselves , how would you feel if they actually did follow through with it and there blood was on your hands?

To be clear I suffer from depression, but I am Not suicidal

That said, after being told to kill myself it gets me sick to my stomach.

I am a part of a mental health community that has people far worse off then me which I have seen do desperate things when pushed into it.

I just ask you think of the repercussions beforehand before you chose the words you use to someone, ingame or out.


Just a thought, if you were nice and not annoy, AWOX, scam or whatever it is you do to **** people off MAYBE they would be kinder and not request your death by yourr own hands. Just sayin.......
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2013-06-30 02:40:10 UTC
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Just a thought, if you were nice and not annoy, AWOX, scam or whatever it is you do to **** people off MAYBE they would be kinder and not request your death by yourr own hands. Just sayin.......


No.

There is NEVER an excuse for such implications of real life violence. It's just a video game. Furthermore, all of the things you listed are all permitted by the game's rules, while goading to suicide, which you mentioned in the same breath as though somehow they are equivalent, is a violation.

By that measure alone, no matter what you do to someone in game, nor how far you chase them across the galaxy, they have no excuse to escalate in that manner.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#32 - 2013-06-30 02:45:51 UTC

Why am I not surprised this happened in LOL?

I mean most communities on the internet show the worst of humanity, probably because of the anonymity you have. In EVE this is surprisingly rare from what I encountered. I think because despite the anonymity there are still consequences and if you run your mouth you paint a even bigger target on your head.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, go and play some LOL. I don't know how many times someone wished me cancer, and it was usually one from the own team. And I'm not a flamer, I usually try to deescalate.. I just don't surrender, ever, and that's all it takes for some kids to go completely insane.

To the OP: Don't play LOL, ever!! Report the dudes or haunt them down, after all eve has consequences. This behavior is not acceptable.
Alesha Bau
MyEmploymentHistoryGivesMeCancer
#33 - 2013-06-30 02:50:45 UTC
Why should people give a **** about you?
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#34 - 2013-06-30 03:10:28 UTC
Yummy Yummy Yummy wrote:


I just ask you think of the repercussions beforehand before you chose the words you use to someone, ingame or out.


I suggest you take your metal health into consideration before putting yourself in a position to have it damaged. Take your meds....please.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-30 03:14:49 UTC
You really need to seek counselling to discuss this issue. Something of this nature is not something posting to GD is going to address. Actually quite the opposite will happen.

Please take a little eve break and clear your head. You don't need to quit but you do need thicker skin. You can get that by talking through your problems with someone who is skilled. And when you do return, perhaps play a new character and avoid those players who have crossed the line.

Take care of yourself and remember this is just a GAME!
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-30 03:19:36 UTC
Yummy Yummy Yummy wrote:
I know I am not liked in eve and I do stuff that annoys and angers others in the game , but its a GAME.

I had today again for the 3rd time this month someone tell me to Kill myself in rl even describing how they wanted me to do it.

I just don't understand how some people can value a human life as so little, trying to push someone to kill themselves

I did the usual petition but im worried the GM's are not taking it seriously.

I just wanted to say before you think its funny to push someone to so something horrible to others or themselves , how would you feel if they actually did follow through with it and there blood was on your hands?

To be clear I suffer from depression, but I am Not suicidal

That said, after being told to kill myself it gets me sick to my stomach.

I am a part of a mental health community that has people far worse off then me which I have seen do desperate things when pushed into it.

I just ask you think of the repercussions beforehand before you chose the words you use to someone, ingame or out.



Why do people hate you, yummy? I like you
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-30 03:20:52 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
Quit eve buy a puppy


and strangle the puppy, do it once a week.
Yusef Brion
Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc.
#38 - 2013-06-30 03:21:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Idk, I fail to see how such a drastic over-reaction to simple words means that there is hope for humanity. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones"?

I mean, unless adding /sarcasm is going to have be a law now, because people can't manage to comprehend it through text.


Came here to say the exact same thing.

Isn't there a celebrated meta-game throughout EVE in which, if I can make you mad enough to quit doing 'a thing', I win? see: miner bumping, the .01 game, duel blobbing, ninja salvage, afk cloaking... and on and on and on...

Yummy Yummy Yummy wrote:
I know I am not liked in eve and I do stuff that annoys and angers others in the game , but its a GAME.

I had today again for the 3rd time this month someone tell me to Kill myself in rl even describing how they wanted me to do it.

...
...after being told to kill myself it gets me sick to my stomach


I think if you right click on someone's name, you can block them.

In the end, you are right. We should all be more polite and considerate of others feelings. However, you can only control one person in this world, and only you can decide who has more power. You are using the same power to "annoy and anger others" in the game, and they react impolitely. Do you ignore or disregard the hurtful words, or surrender your power to someone else, who "made" you feel things?

The more I read the forums over the years, the more I swear. To god. That the typos are intentional mistakes. Part o f the encryption.

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-30 03:22:21 UTC
I want to have sexual intercourse but the fat around my penis prevents it, sometimes I consider suicide ganking miners to compensate.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#40 - 2013-06-30 03:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
i think everyone forgets that people are on the other end of that screen.

why do we play MMO's like this in the first place.... to make friends and not be alone in gaming.
I have plenty of local games, but for some reason it's fun to be a part of a group with similar interests.

This game is strange in that people create these fake personalities and just are terrible to one another.... and somehow they think they are cool or it's just a game..... well it's not just a game it's a social setting with space ships.


I read your post and agree with many that if you play rough in this game, others believe you have a very tough skin, so they push back.
You are dealing with someone who most likely was very hurt by your comments and went "over the line" as you put it.

As others have said, be kind... and more over... stop playing this game for a little while and let it go. You will be able to come back with a new clear head about it.

If you want to take a break from PVP,,,, hang out with me on some missions, if your toon can fly in High Sec...