EVE General Discussion

look at youtube... i saw few tryouts that young players gave to EVE... they play for 30 minutes, get frustrated and deinstall EVE... all ppl see is ship... and what to do... where am I... who am I... and other questions they ask but no answer...

and... where is interaction with other players???
in chat box???
for that there is MSN, ICQ and other aplications...
only real interaction in eve is when your missile hits other ship... and for new player that is when his ship explodes...

there need to be layers which intrigue player for space... and involve player in story of eve like a person... because we are persons and thats the easiest way...

and one more thing... give noobs some place where they can chill with others and feel safe and equal...



EDIT: sorry for double post... clicked refresh... :/

Now if you go just a little bit further in thinking, you would realize that Incarna, as it was, has exactly the same problem. "where is interaction with other players???" . Yes - in a chat box. Except that in a background there is not a spaceship, but some avatar. Contrary to that avatar, spaceship can also fire missiles, you know.

Unless you call showing pants in some bar an "interaction" .

Incarna would have been quite nice (although without much sense) eye-candy addition to a main game, except that an addition needs something to be added to. It happened, that limit on development resources presented a harsh choice - main thing without addition, or addition with nothing to be added to.

CCP (and us too) has been overly optimistic, thought that choice can be avoided.

As mentioned on the other post - surely its all about gameplay.

If CCP got the gameplay right the whole FiS/WiS divide would not exist - it would just be EVE.

I do not accept that WiS = space barbies or even dumbed down EVE. There is absolutely no reason why Incarna cannot deepen and expand the complex gameplay we have in EVE. Its just not there at the moment.

Retreating to CQ's because they couldn't deliver on full Incarna was a terrible mistake but you can sort of see why they had to try it given the weight of expectation over Incarna.

I would love to see them take their time in the background avoid any hype, get it right second time around and release it when its done.

If they had done 2 things differently, we would all still want Incarna.

1) don't strip eve of dev resources for almost 2 years
2) don't release the product til its actually, you know, finished. Just because microsoft can get away with it doesn't mean CCP can.

Edit: not that we don't want Incarna, necessarily, but we certainly aren't excited about it anymore.

@ Cracko:

I wouldn't be so sure that Eve cannot become that. Just recently CCP changed all the mission agents to Qlvl 20 and removed or redone them to security and distribution (?) instead of different specializations. Its those little changes that accumulate over time and go unnoticed per se but in the end the game becomes more and more shallow. Whether these changes are good or not is up to discussion, I for one would like them to improve a feature if its not used or neglected, instead of removing it.

Edit: Space is big and empty, I like that touch of loneliness!

Don't like it ? I'll not only not buy it but I'll also unsubscribe 2 accounts (costing ccp $30 each month) and move to paying by plex only on my main account because I do not believe in the principle of Microtransaction-delivered content in a monthly subscription game. So my -$30 per month is small beer, but we're reading now that CCP lost 8% of its income over GreedCarna Nex Apocalypse or around $400,000 per month. (And that is a truly significant cost for the NeX "experiment"

I do not believe in MT "optional extras" in a mandatory subscription game.

I play WOT and buy the MT "optional extras" there because I am not obliged to pay a subscription and can play for free.

That is the difference and clearly enough people agree with me to hurt CCP right in the pocket book.

Which is where we are this winter.

Uh Oh, hipster alert:
"i was playing wow before it went mainstream."
"eve needs to stay as obscure as possible, if they become mainstream, they´re nothing but sell-outs."
"watch my ironically worn mustache, it signifies how much better i am than you."

Another thing that is "in EVE's future"


Is a mindlink that will allow you to plug your brain directly into the computer and see the digitally rendered world in all of it's splendid virtual reality...


But that is not coming out in the foreseeable future either.
& when it does, I suspect that CCP's "engine" will be burning out peoples brains and causing insanity in .1% of their users, but that will be "ok" with them.

It was a good thing that pencil and paper (people remember those items?) gaming was brought forth a few generations ago. Today's generation of not knowing what is an imagination would have killed all forms of gaming today...

I completely agree that EVE needs WIS, at least at some point in the future. While I'm absolutely looking forward to the Winter expansion and all it will bring, I don't buy it that CCP will be focusing on FIS almost exclusively from now on.

CCP as a company has stated that they intend to make EVE the complete sci-fi simulator. It certainly will never be this without being able to explore the huge stations that pepper the universe, as without this the game world will never feel truly populated. In fact, I can see a future where a good proportion of pilots rarely, if ever, leave the station, and I don't think this will be a bad thing. It will simply make for a richer universe for players to immerse themselves in.

I, for one, find the fact that I can now switch between CQ and spinning far more immersive than I ever found EVE before, and it gives life to what was previously just a portrait of a character locked inside a ship. I do sympathise with those whose hardware was affected by CQ, however I think this can be solved with some optimisation and some time for the technology to catch up.

While I won't be using CQ much until Incarna is further iterated upon, the engine has such potential that, from a business point of view, it simply wouldn't make sense not to use it further. In fact, if they don't, CCP can consider every man-hour building it (and Im guessing that's a LOT) as a direct financial loss. As WOD has pretty much ground to a halt for now, my prediction is that Incarna will be back next Summer. I think people ought to give it a chance when it does re-emerge, otherwise the OP's prediction of EVE being the next project that's shelved could become all too real.