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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-07-03 20:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
I know you're a Mach fan, but you should honestly have a look at the nonsense a TFI can pull. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

Ed: the Achilles heel is manoeuvrability, there's a /lot/ of DPS from those sentries. Although its not criminal, it's worth mentioning.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-07-03 20:27:19 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you do understand that at 50km you ARE going to take more damage than your 3 slot shield tank will allow?


I was going to be done with this, but really, here's the bottom line; You have no idea what missioning in a Mach is like. There is no l4 mission that can even set off the alarm on my Mach with 3 slot tank. Not one. Your gank is your tank. There is specific methodology you use to kill things. DPS is not the only factor. 4 unbonused sentries in a mach are plenty to one shot dessies and 2 shot cruisers. Your AC's are plenty to 1 shot frigs & 2 shot battlecruisers. Every 7-8 seconds you drop 2-4 incoming ships. So all that you have left is battleships, and they are well within the 1000dps zone by the time I start shooting them. Angel missions I don't even have to rep. Serpentis missions I only have to cycle the repper to half cap at most. Sometimes Serpentis BCs take 3 volleys to kill, depending on range. I can get as high of a bounty on Sanshas as I can on Angels without the alarm going off (the whole mission, 20 mil).

There is simply no way a Domi is better than a Mach at any mission, sorry. The Navy Domi is as good as a mach at a couple of missions. The CNR is as good as the Arty Mach at sniping in some instances. The NM is as good as the Mach at Sansha/BR. Overall, there is no best, but the one that's either best or tied for best in the most instances is the Mach. The domi is not the best at any mission, sorry. Its why the Navy Domi exists.


well done for answering a post not directed at your and your mach.

Art of Explosions
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#103 - 2013-07-04 04:55:56 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
I know you're a Mach fan, but you should honestly have a look at the nonsense a TFI can pull. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

Ed: the Achilles heel is manoeuvrability, there's a /lot/ of DPS from those sentries. Although its not criminal, it's worth mentioning.


Its my 2nd favorite mission boat for sure.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-07-04 16:26:06 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Cypher Jones don't bother, Tsukino Stareine is convinced that she has the perfect boat just like we are convinced we have the perfect boat. Only difference is I agree with you and she agrees with herself.

In the last hour I have completed Mordus Headhunters, Gone Berzerk, Buzz Kill and Damsel in distress.. but my Mach doesn't work against anything but angels,

leave crazy to crazy they only drag you in they never join you.


ok ill rephrase: go do a sansha, serpentis or guristas mission and tell me how good your completions times are when you're TDed, damped or jammed :)




News flash: She can't even fly a CNR.

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-07-04 18:39:47 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you do understand that at 50km you ARE going to take more damage than your 3 slot shield tank will allow?


I was going to be done with this, but really, here's the bottom line; You have no idea what missioning in a Mach is like. There is no l4 mission that can even set off the alarm on my Mach with 3 slot tank. Not one. Your gank is your tank. There is specific methodology you use to kill things. DPS is not the only factor. 4 unbonused sentries in a mach are plenty to one shot dessies and 2 shot cruisers. Your AC's are plenty to 1 shot frigs & 2 shot battlecruisers. Every 7-8 seconds you drop 2-4 incoming ships. So all that you have left is battleships, and they are well within the 1000dps zone by the time I start shooting them. Angel missions I don't even have to rep. Serpentis missions I only have to cycle the repper to half cap at most. Sometimes Serpentis BCs take 3 volleys to kill, depending on range. I can get as high of a bounty on Sanshas as I can on Angels without the alarm going off (the whole mission, 20 mil).

There is simply no way a Domi is better than a Mach at any mission, sorry. The Navy Domi is as good as a mach at a couple of missions. The CNR is as good as the Arty Mach at sniping in some instances. The NM is as good as the Mach at Sansha/BR. Overall, there is no best, but the one that's either best or tied for best in the most instances is the Mach. The domi is not the best at any mission, sorry. Its why the Navy Domi exists.


Just curious, how much pimp has to be put on the ship to be able to attain that elvel of crazyness? Caldari BS V and I still have the shield alarm go off pretty fast if I make misstakes after being told is a tanky BS.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#106 - 2013-07-04 18:56:13 UTC
Quote:
Just curious, how much pimp has to be put on the ship to be able to attain that elvel of crazyness? Caldari BS V and I still have the shield alarm go off pretty fast if I make misstakes after being told is a tanky BS.


Completely depends on your DPS and the rats you're fighting. I was able to drop more mods as my DPS went up. If you're fighting rats that counter your tank you need a lot more.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-07-04 19:58:21 UTC
Jazmyn Stone wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Cypher Jones don't bother, Tsukino Stareine is convinced that she has the perfect boat just like we are convinced we have the perfect boat. Only difference is I agree with you and she agrees with herself.

In the last hour I have completed Mordus Headhunters, Gone Berzerk, Buzz Kill and Damsel in distress.. but my Mach doesn't work against anything but angels,

leave crazy to crazy they only drag you in they never join you.


ok ill rephrase: go do a sansha, serpentis or guristas mission and tell me how good your completions times are when you're TDed, damped or jammed :)




News flash: She can't even fly a CNR.

-Jaz


yes you're quite right, this character cannot fly a CNR.

Now back to your hole before you embarrass yourself horribly again

Art of Explosions
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#108 - 2013-07-04 20:35:46 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Just curious, how much pimp has to be put on the ship to be able to attain that elvel of crazyness? Caldari BS V and I still have the shield alarm go off pretty fast if I make misstakes after being told is a tanky BS.


Completely depends on your DPS and the rats you're fighting. I was able to drop more mods as my DPS went up. If you're fighting rats that counter your tank you need a lot more.

I guess the easiest example is to think about any time you and a friend did a LVL-4 mission together. If done correctly you two had so much DPS nothing survived long enough to scratch your tank. So if you take the DPS numbers of two ships in a site and get that into one ship the whole tank thing resolves itself.

That being said I tend to fit a tank that cost about as much as my hull. Yes, I have heard I am a gank magnet but I don't mission in systems with high traffic, and I keep D-Scan open looking for anything out of the ordinary; those two things have kept me safe so far. And of course I don't fly anything I can't afford to replace with a quick trip to Jita

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-07-04 21:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Goldiiee wrote:
Completely depends on your DPS and the rats you're fighting. I was able to drop more mods as my DPS went up. If you're fighting rats that counter your tank you need a lot more.
I guess the easiest example is to think about any time you and a friend did a LVL-4 mission together. If done correctly you two had so much DPS nothing survived long enough to scratch your tank. So if you take the DPS numbers of two ships in a site and get that into one ship the whole tank thing resolves itself.



This, I dual box - either character can cope alone with their tank, but together its....well, ridiculous. Well over 2k dps brought to the field is hilarious. Its for that reason I dont bother pimping it, its just not an investment.
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-07-05 01:04:25 UTC
Embarrass myself? You’ve got to be kidding! I mis-labeled range and fall-off, (or whatever the heck it was), and that was it. Tsukino, you’re the one who rants on, called me names and a liar. You just don’t know when to give it up.

You give out advice in some of your comparisons, and can’t even fly one of the ships, so how can you even make a comparison? So those arguments fail right there.

So it’s like my Ferox that you compared with your EFT Drake. Your gunnery skills suck, and therefore the Ferox wasn’t any good. But remember your Drake that was tanking 8 battleships in a L4 , (just before it went boom.)

It’s not me who would become embarrassed.

I would have replied sooner, but I had been on vacation for 3 weeks. If you want to go there, we can, but we don’t want to hi-jack another thread, do we.

Maybe you should go find a hole to crawl into.

Have a nice day. ta-ta

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-07-05 01:08:40 UTC
I'm going to say it so it's a little clearer to your tiny peanut brain:

Yes THIS CHARACTER cannot fly a CNR.

You fell absolutely flat in the other thread you tried to debate with me in, you really sure you want to try again?

Art of Explosions
Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
#112 - 2013-07-05 19:33:27 UTC
I never got the whole "pimp my ride" mission running vs. getting a second (or third) account. There are just so many more advantages to multiboxing -- you get to pull more missions in each batch, more cargo space, more tractor beams/salvagers on the field as you go, and IMO the price of PLEX vs gank magnet mods is an easy calculus to make.

Of course, that was before it was possible to field 3,000 mission DPS with just two ships and Incursions. I may be changing my tune (and what I fly) a bit.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-07-05 20:30:52 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm going to say it so it's a little clearer to your tiny peanut brain:

Yes THIS CHARACTER cannot fly a CNR.

You fell absolutely flat in the other thread you tried to debate with me in, you really sure you want to try again?

Internet arguments are serious business. You can definitely "win" them and achieve life-long fame, riches, and sexual favors. You should definitely spend more time "winning" debates on public forums.

Bokononist

 
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-07-05 20:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Zaxix wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm going to say it so it's a little clearer to your tiny peanut brain:

Yes THIS CHARACTER cannot fly a CNR.

You fell absolutely flat in the other thread you tried to debate with me in, you really sure you want to try again?

Internet arguments are serious business. You can definitely "win" them and achieve life-long fame, riches, and sexual favors. You should definitely spend more time "winning" debates on public forums.


And you should spend more time trying to look like you don't care about internet arguments because it sure makes you look badass and better than all us nerds discussing things on a public forum.

I don't understand the mentality behind your type of person, you post on the SAME forum as the person you're trying to diss to try and show how much you don't care and how superior you are to them because you don't care.

It's not even pot calling kettle black, it's kettle cussing the kettle and they're both black.

Art of Explosions
Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#115 - 2013-07-08 15:28:39 UTC
thanks for all the reply guys.
I was basically trying to figure out if BS class ships are better or smaller ships with better target, speed . . . for level 4 missions and whether i should go with pirate faction, or tech II which i believe i got my answer :)
hellcane
Never Back Down
#116 - 2013-07-08 19:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: hellcane
IMO:

The best ship is the one you like looking at for hours on end, the one with weapons that you enjoy, and the one that works reasonably well. Most BS will be competitive at completing missions, and without going crazy for the top 1% faster completion times you have more options that'll keep you around longer.

Granted picking a scorpion(non navy) is just a bad idea, but you get the point.
oniplE
MeMento.
#117 - 2013-07-11 20:54:58 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Rattlesnake by a mile.

You can get 1241 dps and pick the damage type now.

Still has awsome tank and can run a MWD.

Sentries ruin smaller targets with ease.

Anyone still preaching other ships hasn't seen what the changes to cruise missiles on top of drone damage upgrades have done.

I don't think it's the best, but it is probably the easiest ship to fly. It's relatively cheap to buy and fit, doesn't require that much SP to be effective, has good DPS up to 80 KM and can fit a good tank. Basically, you can fly the RS half-AFK and still get decent ISK per hour.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2013-07-12 08:58:24 UTC
golem or rni are alot better than rattler in every situation.
that sentry / drone stuff is only cool story...

while rattler looks cool and tanks like brick, it's still tedious


by the time you have killed 2-3 battleships @100km with golem, your rattler is starting to get in lock/engage range....
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-07-12 09:18:12 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
golem or rni are alot better than rattler in every situation.
that sentry / drone stuff is only cool story...

while rattler looks cool and tanks like brick, it's still tedious

by the time you have killed 2-3 battleships @100km with golem, your rattler is starting to get in lock/engage range....


When i use sentry drones i like to fit both mwd and mjd, if the rats spawn at a bad distance you can almost always jump into something close to your optimal, and continue to use the mjd to keep battleships fare enough away to keep incoming damage at low levels.

Using the mjd don't always work as planned, which is why the mwd is nice to have, saves you from a lot of slow boating to gates, cans and such.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
oniplE
MeMento.
#120 - 2013-07-13 20:55:38 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
golem or rni are alot better than rattler in every situation.
that sentry / drone stuff is only cool story...

while rattler looks cool and tanks like brick, it's still tedious


by the time you have killed 2-3 battleships @100km with golem, your rattler is starting to get in lock/engage range....

Missions usually have most rats within Warden II range. Obviously you need to fit a drone link to increase the control range, one is usually enough. I just attack whatever is in range with sentries and if there are rats outside drone control range i aggro them so they'll move towards me. Most of the time i don't even move after warping in. (only to get to the next room obviously)