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Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#61 - 2013-07-02 12:09:27 UTC
Navy Domi is a top contender vs Serp and Gurista, also very good vs Sansha and Blood Raiders due to TD abuse(CNR is even better here though)

Normal Domi is one of the best, if not the best low SP runner(other contender for this being the Raven.
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#62 - 2013-07-02 12:53:47 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
ExcalibursTemplar wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I dual box Machs, two screens makes life simple, for instance Angel Extrav yesterday in 12 minutes including bonus room. Pulsed the XL booster 3 times cause the red shield annoys me :)


5 rooms of an Extravaganza in 12 minutes? I call bullsh!te. Roll


12 minutes sounds doable to me, if he blows up the buildings and stops the spawns. That or he actually does the mission with 2 Machs.

I'd be surprised if he actually killed EVERYTHING with one Mach though in 12 minutes. That would be truly epic if you could do that and if true I'm retraining for a Mach ASAP.

Well I spent a few hours yesterday trying to get FRAPS and several other Game video recording software on my PC, when I finally got Fraps on I went in search of the mission, but still haven't had it offered yet. When I do I will make a recording so I can stop being called a liar, :)

Dualboxing Machs one 800 autos the other 1400 artillery, always shoot the trigger BS with the arties, usually one shot pop them or so much that it is one or two cycles from the autos to finish it off, yes killed everything in every room including the turrets in room 3? so my friend in his noctis could come through. first gate to last rat took me 12 minutes two days ago, so if I can just get it offered again I record it and have another boring PVE video for everyone to fall asleep watching on YouTube


I believe you in fact I'm guessing you could pull of a similar time with two CNR.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#63 - 2013-07-02 18:43:12 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
ok ill rephrase: go do a sansha, serpentis or guristas mission and tell me how good your completions times are when you're TDed, damped or jammed :)


Because I'm a rookie and don't know how to counter.

Thanks for playing, I concede Mr Gore. You invented the internets and the Dominix is king.



I'll translate this for people who don't speak fluent moron:

"I can't find a suitable rebuttal so I will draw upon the powers of archaic internet cliches to attempt to throw off anyone reading up until this point so they cannot see how truly foolish I am"


I've given the proper rebuttal already. I said I've flown both and the Mach is faster. Your response to that was an Ad hominem attack.

Other people obviously understand;

Quote:

Normal Domi is one of the best, if not the best low SP runner(other contender for this being the Raven.


and in fact you yourself have already conceded...

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3 slot tank


Yep, that's what we run.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#64 - 2013-07-02 18:53:10 UTC
Is this a what you consider 3 slot or 5 slot tank (Rigs considered a slot?)

[Machariel, Mission Mach 1400]

7x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II (Quake L)
Automated Targeting Unit I

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Federation Navy Tracking Computer (Tracking Speed Script)
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
2x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Signal Amplifier II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Ancillary Current Router I

4x Federation Navy Garde
5x Warrior II

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-07-02 20:18:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
blargh


still havent responded on how well your mach performs on a pirate faction that actually has real ewar :)

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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#66 - 2013-07-02 20:50:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
blargh


still havent responded on how well your mach performs on a pirate faction that actually has real ewar :)

IDK about Cipher but E-War doesn't affect me, I dualbox when one ship gets Jammed, TD, or Damped my other ship takes out the offender and I continue on. Smile

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-07-02 22:36:48 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
blargh


still havent responded on how well your mach performs on a pirate faction that actually has real ewar :)

IDK about Cipher but E-War doesn't affect me, I dualbox when one ship gets Jammed, TD, or Damped my other ship takes out the offender and I continue on. Smile


so wait, all your experience comes from using TWO machariels?

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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#68 - 2013-07-02 23:05:11 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
blargh


still havent responded on how well your mach performs on a pirate faction that actually has real ewar :)

IDK about Cipher but E-War doesn't affect me, I dualbox when one ship gets Jammed, TD, or Damped my other ship takes out the offender and I continue on. Smile


so wait, all your experience comes from using TWO machariels?


NO he first two years of playing I was a maelstrom loving noob, then 2 years ago did most missions with a noctis alt and a mach, sleipnir abadon, apoc, tengu. and last year been pretty much two machs and give away book marks to sites in abandoned cans at the station. Kinda covered it all :)

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#69 - 2013-07-03 03:00:11 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
blargh


still havent responded on how well your mach performs on a pirate faction that actually has real ewar :)


I responded, albeit sarcastic. The answer is that I have 2-3 utility slots to counter whatever the NPC's throw at me, and know how to use them. The NPC's melt quickly no matter what faction they belong to, as long as you understand the best methodology to running each individual mission.

The consensus of the thread for everybody but you is that the Navy Domi is one of the best against Serpentis, the CNR is improved, and the Mach is overall top dog, with the NM being top dog vs Sansha's.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-07-03 03:12:48 UTC
no it's YOUR consensus that mach is top dog, it isn't any longer and just by the fact you think nightmare performs well against TDing sanshas makes me think you really have no idea what you are talking about.

The fact that you have to sacrifice slots to counter npc ewar makes the mach inferior to the domi, I don't have to replace anything and still retain 800+ dps at much longer ranges than the mach

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Doed
Tyrfing Industries
#71 - 2013-07-03 05:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doed
The only blockade a Domi possibly can't easily do in under 20 minutes is Serp one, I've only ran domi a few times there but did get it under 20 minutes once, out of like, 3 goes or something. Sansha/Blood and esp Angel is very easily done in under 20.

ANd when I said low sp runner ,I also considered low isk aswell, if you can jump into a faction ship right away the obv the normal domi can't get close to competing.

Navy Domi > Normal Domi

A Navy Domi does 1300 to 1400 dps at 50km, depending on your fit. Also produces over 1k dps at 80km with 75% kin 25% therm damage.

No deep falloff and less issues with jamming, tds, etc.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#72 - 2013-07-03 06:25:51 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
no it's YOUR consensus that mach is top dog, it isn't any longer and just by the fact you think nightmare performs well against TDing sanshas makes me think you really have no idea what you are talking about.

The fact that you have to sacrifice slots to counter npc ewar makes the mach inferior to the domi, I don't have to replace anything and still retain 800+ dps at much longer ranges than the mach


Firstly, I agree the Machariel isn't top dog anymore (although I've been saying this even before the TE nerf). But I will say that I have absolutely no problems against TDing Sanshas with my Tachyon Nightmare. I have solod Blockades with Sanshas no problems. Train some skills.

The Machariel is the best by far against Angels, but against every other type of rats, it is at best a close second. People just haven't realised this yet.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-07-03 07:12:20 UTC
Doed wrote:
The only blockade a Domi possibly can't easily do in under 20 minutes is Serp one, I've only ran domi a few times there but did get it under 20 minutes once, out of like, 3 goes or something. Sansha/Blood and esp Angel is very easily done in under 20.

ANd when I said low sp runner ,I also considered low isk aswell, if you can jump into a faction ship right away the obv the normal domi can't get close to competing.

Navy Domi > Normal Domi

A Navy Domi does 1300 to 1400 dps at 50km, depending on your fit. Also produces over 1k dps at 80km with 75% kin 25% therm damage.

No deep falloff and less issues with jamming, tds, etc.


would love to see a navy domi doing 1k dps at 80km considering you cannot get gardes to hit that far.

also the claim for 1300 dps at 50km is a little far fetched also, you sure you're not fitting blasters and forgetting their range?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-07-03 07:20:20 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
no it's YOUR consensus that mach is top dog, it isn't any longer and just by the fact you think nightmare performs well against TDing sanshas makes me think you really have no idea what you are talking about.

The fact that you have to sacrifice slots to counter npc ewar makes the mach inferior to the domi, I don't have to replace anything and still retain 800+ dps at much longer ranges than the mach


Firstly, I agree the Machariel isn't top dog anymore (although I've been saying this even before the TE nerf). But I will say that I have absolutely no problems against TDing Sanshas with my Tachyon Nightmare. I have solod Blockades with Sanshas no problems. Train some skills.

The Machariel is the best by far against Angels, but against every other type of rats, it is at best a close second. People just haven't realised this yet.


I find that pretty hard to believe but I'll take your word on it, quite a few tding elite cruisers spawn on blockade, surely that will drop your optimal to pretty dangerous levels?

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#75 - 2013-07-03 07:48:23 UTC
Navy domi is something that i would pick more than anything else atm..

Mach is still an valid option on many missions imo while it dmg range is nerfed it still can project big dps from 0 to 50km so if target or group of targets are sitting at 80k or so(not on many missions tho) it just need to move in 20km or so and that take seconds to do in mwd mach.

But i just like Ndomi more it is slow as turd ,1400+ dps monster that is hard to tank while maintaining gank cap can be an issue,there is almost always some trade of in modules you want to fit but thanks to bonus'd drones it is pretty much immune to e-war.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#76 - 2013-07-03 07:55:29 UTC
"also the claim for 1300 dps at 50km is a little far fetched also, you sure you're not fitting blasters and forgetting their range?"

war potato i am lacking rail spec to l5 and t2 ammo for totally fake paper dps but yes domi hits hard ..very hard.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-07-03 07:59:25 UTC
yeah that's not going to hit to 50km

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#78 - 2013-07-03 08:01:47 UTC
it already does

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-07-03 08:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
it already does


show me where you do 1400 dps at 50km because you wont with that fit.

also wtf you have genos and a +6% pwg implant

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#80 - 2013-07-03 08:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Garde have 60km optimal and guns have 36+30 with plenty room for improvement for example basic t2 te and unscripted tc will push that to 50km falloff and 42km opty for guns

so yeah it is preety much spot on 1300-1400 dps to 50k or are you saying that 8km in falloff of 50km is somehow killing ship dps by huge number?

Edit yes i am implanted i don't run empty clones if i play nice.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard