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The Standoff at J101612 - [Updated]

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Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons
#1 - 2011-10-24 05:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Hexus Draidin
Today I am posting for the first time to tell a story and bring mental closure to our plight.

Background information:

Our friend, Acheaen, is deployed and serving his country as an American soldier. He requested that we look after his carrier while he was away. He is an exceedingly loyal friend and an exceptionally good man. He has always been there for us whenever we needed him.

The situation:

Eve Animal Control, specifically F.R.E.E. Explorer, an alliance bent on eliminating squatters from wormholes invaded J101612 , the wormhole where Acheaen's Nidhoggur is stationed eight days ago. They requested that we pay them 10 billion isk to leave. Out of honor, we declined. We expected that the Thanatos and the POS would go down, but we tried not to lose hope over the Nidhoggur.

Ever since, it has been my husband, myself, and our good friend, Dad defending the Nidhoggur with everything we've got. (Namely, a Domination tower, fitted well with batteries, a Thanatos and whatever ships I can bring in) We have managed to rally small fleets of friends on 3 occasions, to no avail other than morale boosts. While our friends have offered us help at points throughout the ordeal, we have been putting in 8 hour shifts, guarding the POS and the carrier.

Due to our real life priorities as students and the need to support ourselves via jobs, my husband and I cannot hold the POS any longer. We have unfortunately failed our friend.

Let it be known that we did our best to save Olympia, the Nidhoggur in an attempt to ensure that our friend did not return from duty to a lost carrier and fend off the ruffians that are Eve Animal Control.

What more can 3 people with infrequent support do against a 93 man corporation other than fend them off for a little more than a week?

Thank you for your time.

Edit : Our situation has been resolved. I came here to share our story and was greeted by the kindness, advice and support that came as a result. It was a wonderful surprise. Thank you for reminding me that the Eve community is made of awesome.

Here's a temporary video while I compile everything for a video with all of the nitty gritty details of the standoff.

I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym 

Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#2 - 2011-10-24 05:47:11 UTC
I am glad to see that you put up a fight but the numbers game will always win.

My suggestion would be to try and pull assets from the WH (unless your POS is **** caged) and find another corner of the galaxy to live in.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-24 05:50:34 UTC
Hexus Draidin wrote:
Today I am posting for the first time to tell a story and bring mental closure to our plight.

Background information:

Our friend, Acheaen, is deployed and serving his country as an American soldier. He requested that we look after his carrier and character, Ishtar Starfire while he was away. He is an exceedingly loyal friend and an exceptionally good man. He has always been there for us whenever we needed him.

The situation:

Eve Animal Control, specifically F.R.E.E. Explorer, an alliance bent on eliminating squatters from wormholes invaded J101612 , the wormhole where Acheaen's Nidhoggur is stationed eight days ago. They requested that we pay them 10 billion isk to leave. Out of honor, we declined. We expected that the Thanatos and the POS would go down, but we tried not to lose hope over the Nidhoggur.

Ever since, it has been my husband, myself, and our good friend, Dad defending the Nidhoggur with everything we've got. (Namely, a Domination tower, fitted well with batteries, a Thanatos and whatever ships I can bring in) We have managed to rally small fleets of friends on 3 occasions, to no avail other than morale boosts. While our friends have offered us help at points throughout the ordeal, we have been putting in 8 hour shifts, guarding the POS and the carrier.

Due to our real life priorities as students and the need to support ourselves via jobs, my husband and I cannot hold the POS any longer. We have unfortunately failed our friend.

Let it be known that we did our best to save Olympia, the Nidhoggur in an attempt to ensure that our friend did not return from duty to a lost carrier and fend off the ruffians that are Eve Animal Control.

What more can 3 people with infrequent support do against a 93 man corporation other than fend them off for a little more than a week?

Thank you for your time.

This should be a candidate for the next EVE is Real video. Great story, even if there was failure in the end. That three people held out against 93 for a little more than a week is success, and a testament to your friendship with Acheaen.

Kudos to your all, sir!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-24 05:51:29 UTC
Should've paid the ransom Pirate

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

LacLongQuan
Volant Enterprise
#5 - 2011-10-24 06:02:57 UTC
hire merc, they're willing to do the job for 1~2b.

or pack your stuff and run. mostly likely they want the hole. nothing else.

btw, you shouldn't have put up a faction pos in a hole that has hisec exit. it's a gank magnet.
Baillif
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-24 06:07:37 UTC
Should have hired Narwhals
Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-24 07:13:44 UTC
i find myself confused.

a pos will stick around to be shot at, fair enough.

but you state you have both the carrier and character/pilot available to you. the obvious question would seem to be: why didn't you log the carrier/pilot out if the primary concern was the carrier?

the explanation would seem to be reversed otherwise. that there was a pos that needed defending in the hole, and you brought the carrier in to defend the pos and lost it in a cage.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#8 - 2011-10-24 10:16:51 UTC
Contact Narwhals if the pos isn't down yet.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

toxicvega
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-24 10:37:03 UTC
Look at that, I to am deployed as an American soldier fighting in the middle east.

First please don't use his honorable service as any excuss for not playing internet spaceships.
Second, he should have left the keys with a trusted friend. I am comming up on my six month mark and long before I shipped out all assests were moved to a safe place.

Yes, it is a numbers game. that said pulling info off of dotlans and calling out 93 vs 3 is utter bullshit.
No corp in eve short of maybe yours has the actual people that is reported. They are called alts.
Pull the KB reports, we too are a small group looking to re-light the fire of PVP lost long ago.

I can only watch from the sidelines and this will be done long before I return to a computer and internet that allows me to play, but t
there will be another and another and another after we are done with you.

Your Domi tower and nice mods that hang from it has been a beast to work on, but we will eventually take it done and the lootz inside.
Calling in mercs was tried by them, to not much more the harrassment (guessing you didn't pay enough).

To all those smaller firey PVP asshats that still want a piece of the small scale PVP LLAMA is looking and I will gladly use this as a plug.

Contact ZIMI VLASIC or Verite Rendition if being a douche and smashing stuff like the nasty scamps we are interests you.


God bless the US military and I will shortly see all of you on the Battlefield (soon™)

ToxicVega

Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons
#10 - 2011-10-24 11:09:26 UTC
toxicvega wrote:
Look at that, I to am deployed as an American soldier fighting in the middle east.

First please don't use his honorable service as any excuss for not playing internet spaceships.
Second, he should have left the keys with a trusted friend. I am comming up on my six month mark and long before I shipped out all assests were moved to a safe place.

Yes, it is a numbers game. that said pulling info off of dotlans and calling out 93 vs 3 is utter bullshit.
No corp in eve short of maybe yours has the actual people that is reported. They are called alts.
Pull the KB reports, we too are a small group looking to re-light the fire of PVP lost long ago.

I can only watch from the sidelines and this will be done long before I return to a computer and internet that allows me to play, but t
there will be another and another and another after we are done with you.

Your Domi tower and nice mods that hang from it has been a beast to work on, but we will eventually take it done and the lootz inside.
Calling in mercs was tried by them, to not much more the harrassment (guessing you didn't pay enough).

To all those smaller firey PVP asshats that still want a piece of the small scale PVP LLAMA is looking and I will gladly use this as a plug.

Contact ZIMI VLASIC or Verite Rendition if being a douche and smashing stuff like the nasty scamps we are interests you.


God bless the US military and I will shortly see all of you on the Battlefield (soon™)

ToxicVega



We didn't call in mercs. Everyone we brought in was a friend that donated their time and effort. Ask them. I'm sorry that the value of friendship and dedication mean nothing to you. That's a sad way to live.

I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym 

toxicvega
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-24 11:33:14 UTC
Hexus Draidin wrote:

We didn't call in mercs. Everyone we brought in was a friend that donated their time and effort. Ask them. I'm sorry that the value of friendship and dedication mean nothing to you. That's a sad way to live.


Yeah ok. I brought disscussion and content from the otherside and you return with accusations and insults?
You know nothing of me or how I live. Try to stay on topic and inside the game.

Truly if you had anything to rebuff my previous post it would have been said. Instead you bring this garbage.
I am sure you honor your friend while he is gone, but the fact of the matter is that this isn't about him, or even me.
You were chossen for your location, assests, and activity, not because your friend is off fighting the good fight and unable to defend
his stuff.

Remeber this is a game. Reality is ---->
Good Luck

ToxicVega


Zimi Vlasic
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#12 - 2011-10-24 11:36:37 UTC
Honestly I'm having fun trying to bust up this tower, it's been a real challenge for a small operation like ours

Sure it says 93 people, bust a vast majority of that are old friends who are on leave or no longer play, that we keep on out of respect. Once a member of FREEE, always a member.

The reality is at our peak we pull about 15 guys with around 10 actually doing any shooting. Anyone that has tried to go against a large well set up faction tower can appreciate how daunting that is.

You have done a fantastic job defending so far :)
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-24 11:49:58 UTC
Why didn't the carrier log off again?

Ferox #1

DizzyO1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-24 12:12:39 UTC
i dont think logging off a carrier and leaving it there is an option because he'll come back and he'll be on his own in a wormhole with ass pirates ready to ransom his carrier and then they'll probably just kill him anyway
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-24 12:28:27 UTC
Hexus Draidin wrote:

We didn't call in mercs. Everyone we brought in was a friend that donated their time and effort. Ask them. I'm sorry that the value of friendship and dedication mean nothing to you. That's a sad way to live.



The great rewards of WH-space ought to come with great responsibilities. You can't expect to reap these riches uncontested in your own little microcosm.

It sounds like you think that the fault is upon the Animal Control Alliance but in reality it is your corp which extended its ventures beyond its capabilities of defending itself. You guys seem to have held the fort pretty handsomely – take pride in that and just accept that in Eve the guys with the biggest sticks take what they want – as should be.
toxicvega
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-24 12:35:00 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Hexus Draidin wrote:

We didn't call in mercs. Everyone we brought in was a friend that donated their time and effort. Ask them. I'm sorry that the value of friendship and dedication mean nothing to you. That's a sad way to live.



The great rewards of WH-space ought to come with great responsibilities. You can't expect to reap these riches uncontested in your own little microcosm.

It sounds like you think that the fault is upon the Animal Control Alliance but in reality it is your corp which extended its ventures beyond its capabilities of defending itself. You guys seem to have held the fort pretty handsomely – take pride in that and just accept that in Eve the guys with the biggest sticks take what they want – as should be.



Well said, and very true. Being able to see the truth and substance from a very outside view is a gift you have been blessed with.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
#17 - 2011-10-24 12:40:11 UTC
Cherry Nobyl wrote:
i find myself confused.

a pos will stick around to be shot at, fair enough.

but you state you have both the carrier and character/pilot available to you. the obvious question would seem to be: why didn't you log the carrier/pilot out if the primary concern was the carrier?

the explanation would seem to be reversed otherwise. that there was a pos that needed defending in the hole, and you brought the carrier in to defend the pos and lost it in a cage.


Ditto, doesn't sound like the full story here. Doubt the Op has posted all of the details.
Also, using the "friend is in the military and..." is not an excuse anyone should use.
Should have logged out and/or moved.
Zimi Vlasic
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#18 - 2011-10-24 12:50:53 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Hexus Draidin wrote:

We didn't call in mercs. Everyone we brought in was a friend that donated their time and effort. Ask them. I'm sorry that the value of friendship and dedication mean nothing to you. That's a sad way to live.



The great rewards of WH-space ought to come with great responsibilities. You can't expect to reap these riches uncontested in your own little microcosm.

It sounds like you think that the fault is upon the Animal Control Alliance but in reality it is your corp which extended its ventures beyond its capabilities of defending itself. You guys seem to have held the fort pretty handsomely – take pride in that and just accept that in Eve the guys with the biggest sticks take what they want – as should be.


Yes. And when someone with a bigger **** comes after us (as is usually the case) we will graciously accept it with no forum whining or begging for help.
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#19 - 2011-10-24 12:51:14 UTC
you guys fought the good fight. good for you. paying ransom is the cowards way out. my advice is just to cut your losses now and move on. just grind up the isk and build/purchase a new new carrier for him. when he logs back and hears the story about how you fought for him and has a new shiny ship waiting for him, he will be over joyed.
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#20 - 2011-10-24 12:56:51 UTC
DizzyO1 wrote:
i dont think logging off a carrier and leaving it there is an option because he'll come back and he'll be on his own in a wormhole with ass pirates ready to ransom his carrier and then they'll probably just kill him anyway



It would at least leave the assets in place and allow the player to decide what to do when he returned. Worst case scenario he'd have to self destruct the carriers and then pod himself back to a station. Best case is the WH ends up empy again when he returns or he hires mercs to take it back for him.

It is unrealistic to think he could just hold onto the WH while away for an extended period. It would have been best to remove the POS and as many assets as possible. Log the Carriers in a safe spot and hope for the best upon return.
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