These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

If EVE could go F2P, without any changes at all, tomorrow.

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Bubo Scandinavica
Untied Dysleckticks
#81 - 2013-06-28 11:15:15 UTC
Mylena Inera wrote:

more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)

Why would the revenue increase if you remove the main reason behind anyone paying anything to CCP?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-06-28 11:30:08 UTC
Nex Killer wrote:
I think ccp could do it but they need more options in the Nex store so there is a reason to buy plex and spend other then selling on the market for ISK. Make the Nex store have more clothes, Name changes for players and Corps, maybe something so you could recolor your ship, things like that.


That's true.

I'll pay for a name change (why all the fuss, because it's but a name change, it's not like it removes the history of a player which so much here care about). It's a main reason I won't buy a toon at the character bazaar too, because the names of some are horrible.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Venusa
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-06-28 11:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Venusa
WORST IDEA EVER.


You definitely don't get any idea of what you are talking about. If CCP would heading that direction it would be the end of EVE.

They thought about it few years ago , just when F2P were becoming the new economic model and when traditional MMOs were dying. They thought it could be a nice idea and fortunately the community helped CCP to make the right choice. I'm sure today they don't regret it since all MMO are now dead and EVE still reign.

"More people so more revenue"

EVE player's average age is something like 35 years old. Compared to some other games where kevin , 14 yo , can't pay his ****** game, EVE players can afford the price.

And just to finish , EVE is a game for passionate players. If you quit the game it's not because it cost it because it don't please. Making the game free won't get you any more players , only noobs rage-quitting because they can't finish the tutorial.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-06-28 13:04:04 UTC
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more people
more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)


Cons:

more noobs

EDIT:

there is now a mythical wookie that lives in the dead sea, and upon the decision of CCP to go F2P, rose up and completely fixed every problem that removing the subscription fee would cause regarding PLEX and funding. he has generously donated his 2 billion dollar fortune in goat heads and cheddar wiz to fund all further content.

the point of this is to discuss the community based ramifications of a F2P model as none of us can actually know whether a successful F2P model is possible (we don't have the accounting books)


you're assuming eve would attract more players, in my opinion eve would keep the same amount of players, because most people are indeed fagwads.

Click here to get something special for new players, an EvE Trial Invitation extremely rare, high quality.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-06-28 13:17:45 UTC
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)



If it was true f2p how would that earn CCP more money?

That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-06-28 13:26:13 UTC
Kali Maat wrote:
agree to disagree we do need more players..
having such an incredible an awesome game that is Eve online and always wanting to keep it just for our-self is bad..


No Points for partial answers.

Eve needs more paying players. Big smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-06-28 13:29:34 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)



If it was true f2p how would that earn CCP more money?

That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.


ccp would have to sell isk, ships, items, skins,aurum **** etc.

its a gamble that could backfire, obviously they could add "premium subscriptions" that allow certain players to have access to tech 2 or something.

Click here to get something special for new players, an EvE Trial Invitation extremely rare, high quality.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-06-28 13:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Knights Armament wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)



If it was true f2p how would that earn CCP more money?

That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.


ccp would have to sell isk, ships, items, skins,aurum **** etc.

its a gamble that could backfire, obviously they could add "premium subscriptions" that allow certain players to have access to tech 2 or something.


Like SWTOR?

"You want to use the Local Chat window? Pay some extra money or get a subscription!"
"You want to be able to use blue and above gear? Pay some Money or get a subscription!"
"You want to be able to sell or just send items to other players? Pay some money or get a subscription!"

That's all BS, I'd quit my account the day it happened.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-06-28 13:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Knights Armament wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mylena Inera wrote:
Would you be OK with it?

Pros:

more revenue for CCP means more content (to an extent)



If it was true f2p how would that earn CCP more money?

That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.


ccp would have to sell isk, ships, items, skins,aurum **** etc.

its a gamble that could backfire, obviously they could add "premium subscriptions" that allow certain players to have access to tech 2 or something.



No, ships and items are mainly player made and should stay that way.

I'd get rid of the LP stores too and make those items player made, but requiring a high standing with a faction so as to be able to build that faction's equipment.
waltari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-06-28 15:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: waltari
last game that actually injected a F2P into a paid game i played was SWTOR and it burried the already dead game even deeper, so nobody actually noticed any difference
auraofblade
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-06-28 15:26:18 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
f2p would mean alts. Lots of alts. An insane number of alts. You would have alt bots in every system monitoring local and tracking everyone's movements.

Wow, this is actually a pretty massive reason. The impact of P2P restricting alts is, now that I think about it, pretty darn integral to the game.

Think of it this way: imagine you're the you now, with however many friends an enemies you may or may not have. Now consider that you can run as many extra accounts as you feel you want. It would be the easiest thing ever to just hop over to another character whenever shiz hit the fan.

Also, EVE's system of granting skill points over the time your account is active instead of time played would straight up implode in F2P. As it stands, I'm already surprised that it didn't implode with DUST alts.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-06-28 16:15:13 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
ccp would have to sell isk, ships, items, skins,aurum **** etc.

its a gamble that could backfire, obviously they could add "premium subscriptions" that allow certain players to have access to tech 2 or something.


Appearance "fluff" has long been accepted as stuff to buy in MMOs. For EvE that can be added stuff for ships like rally strips; paint; lights the Day-Glo stuff.

Ships/weapons? Avoid like a plague. Anyone who has played those Chinese item shop F2P games can attest to that type of P2W game sucks.

I really want a name change service; paint/dye and rally stripes for my ships.

Want to pimp my Drake. Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-06-28 16:32:00 UTC
Insane hypothetical is insane. You can't make this game F2P without other substantial changes. There's no magic space wookiee that's going to crap golden eggs to keep CCP afloat. No sub fee means no one buys or sells PLEX, which means CCP gets no money.

I don't want F2P even if it would work. Every other MMO I've played, the community took a massive nosedive in quality after a F2P conversion. If you think EVE is a hive of scum and villainy now, just imagine what the influx of tens of thousands of ISK seller bots, scambots, and 12 years olds will bring if this game ever went F2P.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2013-06-28 17:07:16 UTC
Othran wrote:
F2P and microtransactions would probably kill CCP inside a year.

Been a year or so since I looked at their financial statements but if you removed Eve's subs then I can't see how its possible to run a single shard server, never mind dev costs.



This.

Microtransactions are essentially a last ditch effort for trying to recover losses and a final attempt at population influx.

They rarely last long by design (unless your entire game is determined by it such as with DC Universe Online and other mmos that have a free to all "limited" level of gameplay).

You don't WANT to ever have to go with microtransactions.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#95 - 2013-06-28 18:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Eve has been Free 2 Play and Pay 2 Win for a very long time.

I have been playing free for years, and somebody has paid me to win.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#96 - 2013-06-28 20:41:00 UTC
Er, if the game is FREE to play, note the word 'free', then how is there going to be more revenue?

Or is this a new definition of the word 'free' that I haven't come across before?

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#97 - 2013-06-28 20:43:12 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:


That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.


Remind me never to give you my phone number.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-06-28 20:50:15 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Er, if the game is FREE to play, note the word 'free', then how is there going to be more revenue?

Or is this a new definition of the word 'free' that I haven't come across before?




The only free to play that is actually free to play are limited versions of the games.

Otherwise they involve a shop and try to encourage you to use the shop.

Games like GW2 are free of subscriptions but they try to encourage you to use the shop by making it more difficult to gain in-game currency. Plus you have to buy the original game and any major expansions.




So to recap there's no such thing as a free ride unless it's limited for the sole purpose to keep the numbers up and the hope you will subscribe to the full version.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-07-03 11:00:36 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:


That like the one time my phone company called me, saying that if I pay 5 more $ per Month I'd be saving money because then calling other people in the middle of the night would be a hell of a lot cheaper.


Remind me never to give you my phone number.


Yeah, l also told them to never ever call me again, no matter the reason.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#100 - 2013-07-03 20:58:45 UTC
Removed a troll post.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)