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Mysterious Voodoo, Really?

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Migs Dank
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-10-24 05:00:06 UTC
Come on CCP, where did concord's magic come from all of a sudden? Only the sleepers and the Jove can master wormhole space, if we're on a WH when we commit a criminal act, some strange voodoo shouldn't be keeping us from jumping.
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#2 - 2011-10-24 15:50:29 UTC
Migs Dank wrote:
Come on CCP, where did concord's magic come from all of a sudden? Only the sleepers and the Jove can master wormhole space, if we're on a WH when we commit a criminal act, some strange voodoo shouldn't be keeping us from jumping.



Can you elaborate on the specific type and nature of the alleged Voodoo?

Hmmm
Istyn
Freight Club
#3 - 2011-10-24 16:00:35 UTC
All of a sudden? You've never been able to jump through a WH after going GCC, you appear to be mixing up aggression timers and GCC.
Migs Dank
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2011-10-24 17:27:08 UTC
As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.

The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-24 17:37:23 UTC
There is no evading CONCORD. Triggering CONCORD on you is to lose your ship. PERIOD. There is no other possibility.

but srly wtf are your talking about?

It knows what you think.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-24 17:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wylee Coyote
Migs Dank wrote:
As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.

The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders.


Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your bizarre rationale due to your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-24 17:45:11 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Migs Dank wrote:
As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.

The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders.


Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your bizarre rationale due to your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit.


I remember when black ops BS came out and apparently no one at CCP figured out how they could possibly have been used to evade Concord P

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Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-24 17:50:19 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Migs Dank wrote:
As far as game mechanics go, not allowing people with GCC to jump through a wormhole isn't helping a whole lot of criminals out there. If you were to try and gank someone and use a wormhole as an exit, good luck popping a ship AND warping fast enough so that CONCORD doesn't catch you.

The only surefire way to hit jump before CONCORD finds you is to already be on that wormhole, allowing people to shoot on wormhole entrances and then jump could make things more interesting, especially when it comes to protecting your wormhole space. You can take a proactive approach to popping invaders.


Please provide a time in Eve's history where Concord did not intervene in criminal activity in high sec to show a precedence for your bizarre rationale due to your inability to properly camp your WH's high-sec entrance/exit.


I remember when black ops BS came out and apparently no one at CCP figured out how they could possibly have been used to evade Concord P


Not quite the point, but touché P
Migs Dank
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2011-10-24 22:21:32 UTC
I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#10 - 2011-10-25 07:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Migs Dank wrote:
I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all.


In other words, evading CONCORD...Do tell us how that goes before your permanent, account-level ban comes down, eh?

Given the time-difference between NA and Iceland, you might have just enough time Bear

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2011-10-25 11:28:45 UTC
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Paladin Kor-Xebar
#12 - 2011-10-25 11:37:20 UTC
If you evade concord, its an exploit.

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Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-25 13:04:17 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Migs Dank wrote:
I at no point said it was necessary, nor was I complaining, I was just saying that it would be an interesting gameplay tactic. Pirates escaping into the void and all.


In other words, evading CONCORD...Do tell us how that goes before your permanent, account-level ban comes down, eh?

Given the time-difference between NA and Iceland, you might have just enough time Bear


Paranoid much?
@ OP: It would be interesting, but there is way too much room for exploiting.
Migs Dank
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2011-10-26 07:46:32 UTC
Exploiting how?

Concord would still likely catch anyone not already sitting on the WH, except for the really fast ships. It would be a tactic for .5/.6 systems that would be very difficult to pull off. .7 and above the response would likely be to quick to get off a gank.
Tijai Betula
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#15 - 2011-10-26 08:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tijai Betula
I like this idea - alot :)

Imagine your common or garden miner / mission runner having to keep an eye on whose in local and/or checking WH status in system before proceeding with his AFK profiteering = win

Imagine if you will smaller pirate corps specialising in Wormhole infiltration into Hi sec with hard hitting, fast wolf packs = win

Imagine those low sec and nullsec badboys actually having a way to cause some wardec stress to the smack talking carebear corp who hides in Hi-sec = win

Imagine having delayed concord aggression if the bad boys can get into hisec and only 'trigger' concord if within say 1AU of a station or gate = win

I need to lay down, this thread exites me :)

This can only make the game better :)

CCP please do this now :)
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#16 - 2011-10-26 12:37:26 UTC
Black Ops need to be able to cynic out too right?

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-26 15:05:24 UTC
1) align for a wormhole
2) alpha your target
3) warp off before CONCORD arrives
4) GTFO through the WH
5) collect miner tears as highsec is now completely irrelevant.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#18 - 2011-10-26 15:52:53 UTC
Let's go back. Back in time. To the good ol' days. The days when you could sit on a high sec gate, tanking CONCORD, and own everything that came through the gate.

Yeah no. There's a reason CCP made concord into THE GODDAMN CONCORD.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#19 - 2011-10-27 06:41:24 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
Let's go back. Back in time. To the good ol' days. The days when you could sit on a high sec gate, tanking CONCORD, and own everything that came through the gate.

Yeah no. There's a reason CCP made concord into THE GODDAMN CONCORD.


That damn Armageddon killing my brothers Maller. We didn't have bookmarks to that specific gate so we landed 15km off, I managed to get through tho with my double-plated, injected Maller..

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Prophet Mandalore
#20 - 2011-10-27 12:11:56 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
1) align for a wormhole
2) alpha your target
3) warp off before CONCORD arrives
4) GTFO through the WH
5) collect miner tears as highsec is now completely irrelevant.


That is an exploit. CONCORD is not protection, its a punishment. Meaning if you shoot someone you have to loose that ship.
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