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Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2013-06-28 16:09:58 UTC
Meh I haven't really had any issues with Goons.

My first experience with Goons was in STO with them hilariously self destructing ships outside Earth Spacedock (blowing up other nearby ships), which generated many tears despite STO having zero death penalty.

The only Goon I've encountered in this game that I can even remember seemed pretty cool.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#162 - 2013-06-28 16:13:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cearain wrote:
With goons its all about the isk. Not all about the fun. Its a game guys not real life - unless you are the mittani.

Mittani says as much. They go to war for isk and their main tactic is to deny the enemy fun - even though, blue balling, sitting in a station is no fun for them either. Yet the goons listen like good little dogs because making isk is super important. It's pity not hate.


Someone needs to pay the bills to let us have fun.



Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?



The alliance pays for the plex of all goons so they can play for free?


No, people give me money because I'm a really nice person.



Someone gives you 5 plex every month because you are nice?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Hypercake Mix
#163 - 2013-06-28 16:26:15 UTC
Goons are just easy to hate. Low effort. Relatively low risk. Easy to remember and use name that can be shortened to one syllable in speech.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2013-06-28 16:28:10 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Someone gives you 5 plex every month because you are nice?


Is Mitanni or whatever his name financing the Goons out of his own pocket?

We get that others are paying for players to multibox now, too?

So a 400 blob fleet is what now, less than 100 actual humans?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#165 - 2013-06-28 16:33:59 UTC
The only thing I hate about them is that they don't make more regular incursions into Highsec.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#166 - 2013-06-28 16:52:57 UTC
I hate Goons because I hated Little Bunny FooFoo. It doesn't matter that the Great Fairy turned him into a Goon, Goons are still Little Bunny FooFoo, and that bugger owes me 40 ISK.

I'll stop Grr Goon'ing when I get my 40 ISK back, damnit.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#167 - 2013-06-28 16:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't actually hate goons, but I hate hate hate HATE the name. Why does one of the most long standing and powerful alliances in the game have such a goofy sounding name? I can't help but think of the old fat lipped stupid mobsters in old bus bunny cartoons when I hear the name "goons".


There's a story behind that.


Oh? Smile

I'd love to know, anyone mind telling me or pointing me in the right direction? In the meantime I'll try finding it myself.

EDIT: nvm, I found it. Not a fascinating story, the source I found doesn't tell me why SA forum users decided to call themselves goons, but at least I understand the name. No worse than TEST and the reasons they are named what they are.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2013-06-28 17:02:04 UTC
Galaxy Chicken wrote:
The only thing I hate about them is that they don't make more regular incursions into Highsec.


They have juicier targets than bumping miners. Saw a killmail by one of their corps, and see what they're going after, and it's much nicer than even an Orca full of ABC.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Thugnificent Gangstalicio
Doomheim
#169 - 2013-06-28 17:02:24 UTC
Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2013-06-28 17:21:01 UTC
Thugnificent Gangstalicio wrote:
Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.


Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#171 - 2013-06-28 17:23:19 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Setaceous wrote:
To be fair, high sec mission running and mining require almost zero thought Blink


Nor does blob fleet wars dictated by IsBox.

At least there's a chance the high sec mission runner and miner are actually human.

This is measurably the most stupid opinion I have seen ITT; as someone who has dedicated significant time to hunting miners and mission runners, I can tell you it was, at one time, very hard to actually find a human player in the main L4 systems.

It's a little better now, but some groups are notably heavy multiboxers or bots, and a large amount of these are miners.

I mean, CCP literally released this figure at fanfest, soooooo.

It's pretty uncommon for people in main-fleet ops to multibox.
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I once genuinely "hated" goons for how they managed to take down BoB. When I first started playing, BoB was the big alliance, and I was awed and impressed, I respected them and felt they did no wrong. So when one of the goons got ahold of one of the executor accounts (paid the guy off or actually bought the account, I don't really remember how the story goes), I felt that was one of the dirtiest things, and I instantly lost respect for them. I was even maliciously excited when I heard they suffered the same fate the following year, and I thought, "Serves them right" "payback is a female dog", etc etc.

Well, I was doing research one day, and come to find out BoB was quite dirty, even working with CCP devs who were in alliance to screw an old powerhouse alliance named Ascendant Frontier. So I have to take that into account and maybe give goons a few white knight point for taking down BoB.


BoB were pretty universally despised, really. They created the whole "pets" scenario that people accuse genuine allies of being today. There was no account buying, stealing, or whatever else you hear from dumb pubbies as to what happened - the guy defected from BoB to GSF because he didn't like how BoB played the game and wanted to play it like we did.
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But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP

It's worth pointing out that we informed CCP that exactly this scenario could happen, and they seemed to think no one could be organised enough to pull it off, so it would never be an issue and wasn't labelled as an exploit. A bit of revisionist thinking by CCP labelled it an exploit due to the sheer scale by which our FT were able to pull it off. Much was made of this both ways, but I'm of the mind if you tell CCP "this can be exploited" and CCP say "no, that's ok, thats not an exploit" and then you go and prove them wrong, then you're not so much exploiting the game as you are the naivety of CCP. Either way, it was not a clear "bad goons do bad things" as some would have you believe.
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Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO

I have no idea why you're against having fun with people who roleplay Orion sex slaves in open areas of a game aimed at a youngish audience. Sadly this is a large part of the playerbase, which is the only reason STO haven't hellbanned people for doing it. Goons are the good guys here.

If you want to know why we do what we do, just look at the angry impotent howls of people like Ace Uoweme. Look at him, spending hours at a time on a forum posting about how much he just doesn't care.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#172 - 2013-06-28 17:23:49 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Thugnificent Gangstalicio wrote:
Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.


Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

Do you make things up and then convince yourself they're true, or is it the other way around?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#173 - 2013-06-28 17:49:28 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

I would like to think your acting stupid but I just cant be sure.


Given that not only is the thing you said impossible to do it is also completely unneeded given that a freighter aligns so slowly and most of our targets are AFK and auto piloting to boot.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#174 - 2013-06-28 17:50:45 UTC
Kranh'rhh, thanks for the thoughtful responses!

Khanh'rhh wrote:

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But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP

It's worth pointing out that we informed CCP that exactly this scenario could happen, and they seemed to think no one could be organised enough to pull it off, so it would never be an issue and wasn't labelled as an exploit. A bit of revisionist thinking by CCP labelled it an exploit due to the sheer scale by which our FT were able to pull it off. Much was made of this both ways, but I'm of the mind if you tell CCP "this can be exploited" and CCP say "no, that's ok, thats not an exploit" and then you go and prove them wrong, then you're not so much exploiting the game as you are the naivety of CCP. Either way, it was not a clear "bad goons do bad things" as some would have you believe.


Ok, I accept that.

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Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO

I have no idea why you're against having fun with people who roleplay Orion sex slaves in open areas of a game aimed at a youngish audience. Sadly this is a large part of the playerbase, which is the only reason STO haven't hellbanned people for doing it. Goons are the good guys here.

If you want to know why we do what we do, just look at the angry impotent howls of people like Ace Uoweme. Look at him, spending hours at a time on a forum posting about how much he just doesn't care.


Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Thugnificent Gangstalicio
Doomheim
#175 - 2013-06-28 17:58:56 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Thugnificent Gangstalicio wrote:
Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.


Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.


CFC launched an invasion on fountain to get moons to keep the sov bill paid, because they won't cut the plex-budget down. Right!

Ace, you're such a prodigy. Why you're not the head of CFC is seriously above me.
Barron Hammerstrike
Medusa Nova Mining And Trade
#176 - 2013-06-28 17:59:48 UTC
Who?
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#177 - 2013-06-28 17:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
baltec1 wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

I would like to think your acting stupid but I just cant be sure.


Given that not only is the thing you said impossible to do it is also completely unneeded given that a freighter aligns so slowly and most of our targets are AFK and auto piloting to boot.



What THING did I say? Also not all pilots that get spam attacked and laged and locked up are not AFK auto pilot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#178 - 2013-06-28 18:01:41 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:


Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.


Sounds like they forced STO devs to fix at least a little bit of that horribly broken game.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#179 - 2013-06-28 18:05:01 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Kranh'rhh, thanks for the thoughtful responses!

Khanh'rhh wrote:

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But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP

It's worth pointing out that we informed CCP that exactly this scenario could happen, and they seemed to think no one could be organised enough to pull it off, so it would never be an issue and wasn't labelled as an exploit. A bit of revisionist thinking by CCP labelled it an exploit due to the sheer scale by which our FT were able to pull it off. Much was made of this both ways, but I'm of the mind if you tell CCP "this can be exploited" and CCP say "no, that's ok, thats not an exploit" and then you go and prove them wrong, then you're not so much exploiting the game as you are the naivety of CCP. Either way, it was not a clear "bad goons do bad things" as some would have you believe.


Ok, I accept that.

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Quote:
Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO

I have no idea why you're against having fun with people who roleplay Orion sex slaves in open areas of a game aimed at a youngish audience. Sadly this is a large part of the playerbase, which is the only reason STO haven't hellbanned people for doing it. Goons are the good guys here.

If you want to know why we do what we do, just look at the angry impotent howls of people like Ace Uoweme. Look at him, spending hours at a time on a forum posting about how much he just doesn't care.


Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

I am sure Bat not only didnt know any thing about this but would never take advantage of such an exploit/bug Roll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#180 - 2013-06-28 18:06:33 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:




What THING did I say? Also not all pilots that get spam attacked and laged and locked up are not AFK auto pilot.


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I know of a couple used to gank freighters that involved causing them to lag out and lock up


This is impossible and utterly unneeded. It is a very stupid thing to suggest and has zero evidence to back it up.