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Goonhate under the magnifying glass

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RAW23
#41 - 2013-06-27 13:34:09 UTC
Goons are a lovely group of people when observed as an isolated group. They are funny, clever, inventive and they look after their own. The reason a lot of people don't like them, though, is because, like a high-school clique, they split the world into an in-group and an out-group and take great pleasure in shitting on those in the out-group. It is hardly surprising that many of those in the out-group don't really appreciate this.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#42 - 2013-06-27 13:38:17 UTC
Why would you need a reason to hate Goons?

Its a game, reasons are arbitrary.

**** Goons
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#43 - 2013-06-27 13:41:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift.


There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam...

But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though.

There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to P

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#44 - 2013-06-27 13:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Sour Jelly wrote:
You're having trouble with reading comprehension, remember that guy I described in my first post towards the bottom? I'm poking him with a stick right now.



ʎnƃ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɹɐ noʎ

So when I said people like you don't like the site because you can't get past bad ad-hominem attacks, your response is "lol, ur fat"?

Jesus man, c'mon.

e: I should point out, that we do troll. Deliberately. It's fun because you get people so mad, so blinded with rage, that they make accounts on forums like this just to post hatred and bile over other people who play a video game.

It's fun~

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#45 - 2013-06-27 13:47:30 UTC
I tend to think that most people who hate Goons hate them because they are winners at this game. It's mainly an envy thing.

Personally I don't have strong feelings about Goons one way or the other. The few Goons that I have known have tended to be friendly and helpful, contrary to most of what I read about them on these forums. I have a lot of respect for the way they help new players in this game - few other organizations come close to competing in that regard.

They also drive a lot of emergent content for the rest of EVE to enjoy - Hulkageddons, Burn Jitas, null sec wars, etc.

Some people seem to also have moral objections to some of the behaviors that Goons sometimes engage in, and that is just silly. Scamming, corporate infiltration, spying, ganking, etc are the main things that distinguish EVE from other games. Indeed, they are the core and backbone of what makes EVE great. If you object to these activities, you are probably playing the wrong game, or at any rate you have fallen in with the wrong crowd.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#46 - 2013-06-27 13:53:08 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.



Most of the goon hate comes from its history. Goons have demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the game or the gaming community by exploiting every and any exploitable mechanic or bug in the game.

Goon hate was strong well before they and Test parted ways. Their elitist attitude does not help them earn respect or sympathy from the community.

Anytime you have any organization that has the ability to impose its will on others with no regard or concern of the consequences for the game or the community in that game it will generate hate.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.

KARMA.....
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#47 - 2013-06-27 13:58:48 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.

KARMA.....





Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RAW23
#48 - 2013-06-27 14:02:46 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning




Upvotes on Reddit, no? That's why TEST has so much.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2013-06-27 14:03:44 UTC
Goons are a good thing
Goons are a great thing
Goons are the best thing.

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-06-27 14:06:59 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift.


There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam...

But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though.

There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to P


I'm aware it's an offsite forum. I'm aware it had 2 different murderers who posted there too (that's really awful). I'm also aware it charges $10 as spam prevention. But if friends of friends can just gift it, that roadblock has been defeated.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#51 - 2013-06-27 14:10:02 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Goons are a good thing
Goons are a great thing
Goons are the best thing.


Is El Quirko really your son?

Ace Uoweme wrote:
I'm aware it had 2 different murderers who posted there too



I'm aware of at least one posting right here right now

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-06-27 14:13:11 UTC
Anybody who thinks people hate goons because they are 'winning' or any gameplay reason really is insane, delusional or both. The reason I and so many others dislike Goons (won't say hate, hard to hate someone you don't really know) is due to how they carry themselves. They act like children, they purposely try and start internet fights with people, ship toast all day etc etc etc.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-06-27 14:14:47 UTC
This is a true story.


I met a goon, about 2 months ago in Kansas city at the movies, we where one of the 6 people in there to watch the new iron man.

I could tell he was a goon, because he said so as soon as he learned i played EvE he had a level of smug come over him that i could not believe you could show in RL and instantly started trying to impress me and brag about his scamming and crap...



You know i couldn't tell you what he looked like, i know he wore glasses, was your a average nerd, but the one thing i will NEVER forget, he was clearly 20 ish, and was at the movies with his MOM, and she was still driving him around.





That was the day i started to feel bad for goons.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-06-27 14:15:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning




Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:

Americans love to root for the underdog.

Underdog meets the Goons.

Underdog loves honey.

Underdog kills the hive in the process.

Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

That's Karma.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-06-27 14:19:15 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning




Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:

Americans love to root for the underdog.

Underdog meets the Goons.

Underdog loves honey.

Underdog kills the hive in the process.

Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

That's Karma.


No it isn't


You appear to have karma confused with a television programme called "My Name Is Earl"


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#56 - 2013-06-27 14:26:09 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:


I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.

KARMA.....





Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning


I'm pretty sure building bad relationships that negatively effect you later falls under all the definitions of karma.
Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#57 - 2013-06-27 14:27:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning




Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:

Americans love to root for the underdog.

Underdog meets the Goons.

Underdog loves honey.

Underdog kills the hive in the process.

Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

That's Karma.


No. That is a series of semi-connected statements that makes little or no sense. Karma, is where you undertake an action of entity X, and the same action is then visited on you by entity Y. Whether that action, and how it comes back to you are good or bad is irrelevant.

When the Goons wiped BoB off the map, it was against a backdrop of very serious cheating and favouratism. I don't buy that is happening now, despite all the :tinfoilhats: going around.

That said I am no big fan of the Goons, and that is mainly because of how they post on here. The condesending, "pubbie scum" attitude rubs me up the wrong way. I can't bring myself to hate them, but it does irritate me.
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#58 - 2013-06-27 14:28:05 UTC
S Byerley wrote:


I'm pretty sure building bad relationships that negatively effect you later falls under all the definitions of karma.



No, thats politics or diplomacy you are thinking of

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-06-27 14:28:15 UTC
Sour Jelly wrote:
They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.


I paid :texbux: to have access to a forum where the trash really gets taken care of. The discussion are just so much better without all the regular trash all ofher forums have. I also still have the "stupid newbie" avatar.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#60 - 2013-06-27 14:33:15 UTC
what is goon?

baby don't hurt me

don't hurt meeeee

no mooooore

♥