EVE General Discussion

Correct.


Yup. Still with you there.


Correct. We have established that PLEX and ISK are indeed two different things.


Wait, what? This is an issue I take with many of your posts. You take little logical steps, careful explaining your train of thought then WHAM! Logical leap in a completely unexpected direction with no explanation whatsoever.

You've just explained to us that ISK is an in-game currency and have also explained that the in-game item called PLEX can be purchased for real money, effectively providing a legitimate method for acquiring ISK from real world currency. This is fine. Then, for no reason at all and without any qualification, it's labelled a cheat. Would you care to explain why you feel buying ISK with real cash is a cheat?


Of course there's an incentive to subscribe. Not everyone wants to or can afford to pay for their accounts using ISK. In fact, thanks to the open, free market, this is actually impossible.

Good thing, then, that nothing of the kind exists in EVE.

…completely correct. You are creating the demand that makes people buy PLEX and give the developers more money than they would get if you were subscribing.

Nope. Or, well, you can, but you'll have to do it the illegitimate way, which means you're likely to end up banned and/or with a negative wallet. If you want to stay out of the GMs' sights, all you can ever buy is game time, be it through a subscription or a PLEX.

…aaaaand you've just described something that cannot happen in EVE, so your attempt at a simile has gone off the rails and says nothing about either game.

So you admit that you're only trolling then. Goodie.

…so why is PLEX a cheat? It doesn't let anyone gain any kind of advantage, you know.

Incorrect. PLEX only ever removes money from the game. That is your fundamental problem here: you have no idea how PLEX actually work. You also have no idea how the game economy works. Put the two together, and the explanation for your incorrect premise becomes clear: because you assume things work in ways they simply do not work. It's not that I don't see — it's that you're hallucinating.

No. You can't turn PLEX into ISK.

Moreover, buying a character does not buy you any kind of “win” — it's the same kind of collection of skills that everyone else has, and it has been created the same way all other characters have. It does not suddenly gain any super powers just because it's been on the bazaar, and it will still be beaten just as much as before (or, more likely, even more than before if it's a new player who's has been tricked into believing that he can pay to win). All you're doing is transferring assets that are already in the game. Aside from the price tag and production time, it's no different than buying large blaster turrets.

That would be AMAZING..... and would reboot the whole system, so EVERYONE starts fresh with exciting ideas and vision.... of course if CCP didn't go bankrupt first..

However, you are simply describing another justification for Paying for advantage.... Friend simply look at the Attributes of your T1 Cruiser that costs 10m ISK and then go the T2 Version of the same ship -- well low and behold it's has better specs, resists, etc.... same with guns, mods, etc.... only thing is it costs more... with RL bought ISK I can control a market for a time, create multiple markets, add characters to control my PVP action.... so if I have 4 toons multiboxing them and you have 1 toon, I don't care how good you are - if you elect to fight (which would be a mistake) you will lose your ship to my store bought army.... so you don't fight, because you would lose, or you try to find helpers to bring it on.... great you're amazing... but not all SOLO players are amazing and they just get owned.... not because they are anything else but SOLO in most cases and you have an army and refuse to let them in your tiny little corner of space which CCP promises is fun and has exciting content for.... did I miss something.

Whatever you do with your RL bought ISK is irrelevant, it's not gaming no matter how many of you lifers try to spin it. I NEVER have to fire a Laser and can buy my advantage and you need just get off the idea that someone could still lose their GEAR if they are a bad player.... no logical point there at all since you can do so many things in game that aren't battle oriented and still compete.

You play the game you want, but it's not Player VS Player in any traditional sense of the game... it's Easy, It's excepted, it's popular, it may even add value to expansions in some remote way if they scam enough players and actually put money in THIS game and not the abomination called DUST.... that is just an old version of HALO..... Which I have played and got bored in a few hours.

If you pay money to CCP it should only be to subscribe to have access to the content of this game and THAT IS ALL.... ANYTHING and I mean ANYTHING ELSE you give them RL money for that has meaning in game is a player advantage.... unless it's a T-Shirt!

Congratulations. You have finally understood what PLEX is, and why it isn't F2P or P2W.

Dude, 17 usd per hr? Not in every country in the world. Why are most RMT-ers from china or eastern europe? I earn 4 EUR per hr myself and Im not from China or Russia. So that means that i have to earn cca 130m per hour in game to make it reasonable. And 130/hr is nothing uncommon in EVE. For me PLEXing by isk is more interesting than paying by my whole day salary. Because i earn more isk in game than i can spend, its more reasonable to pay by isk. I can spend those 17 eur for something else irl.

so question yourself. Would you pay by cash if it would costs you not 17 but 72 usd per month? Not to mention that (not just) CCP uses nasty 1EUR=1USD Thats also answers the question why are the SW piracy most common in those countries. People will NOT pay their 1/5 of their whole month salary for movies / games / music etc..

So, in the second example given, you are cheating a theoretical person out of a theoretical profit, simply by using a CCP approved transaction? Nevermind that if you go around walking on eggshells to not "cheat" theoretical people, you will never undock, but hey.

That's not cheating, you just got there first. However you got the money for it is irrelevant. You could just as easily have borrowed it from your corp. He who hesitates...

Now, in your first example. That is also not cheating, because the other person has the same method available to them as well. ou might call it a P2W style advantage, but nothing about it is unfair or exclusive to you. Nor does it in any way guarantee victory, especially at low skill levels where you cannot leverage as much of the bonuses of a faction ship.

It's also not cheating because this advantage is not permanently available to you. In EVE, there is item loss on death, as you would call it in other games. Just like your gear dropped in Ultima Online, in EVE your ship goes poof, and your mods may or may not make it out. Having more money in the short term than someone else isn't the massive advantage you make it out to be. Access to a far higher revenue stream is also not a guarantee of victory, you can still be outplayed, or beaten by a player with better skills.

Cheating is breaking the rules. In a game, this typically refers to getting around the limitations imposed by the game client in some way, in other words hacking. Do you think that buying PLEX is as bad as hacking?

You're confusing me with you. I'm saying that the sky is a bunch of nitrogen and oxygen, with a thin layer of ozone on top, filtering and scattering the light (and darkness) from surrounding space (and among many other outcomes, there is a wide array of reds that can result from this process). You are saying it's all a brown-blackish-green haze, and the only reason you think so is because you've had one too many 'shrooms and have faceplanted a grassy lawn. You don't even have any idea what it is you're looking at, much less why it looks the way it does.

No. You cannot convert GTC or PLEX to ISK.
Until you understand this, everything you say is absolute and complete nonsense.

…except that you have no advantage. Your ship has the same stat as every other ship of its kind. Your character has the same skills as everyone else. Your RL money transaction has nothing to do with either of these, and your “advantage” is exactly the same as what everyone else has.

You have no advantage. Other people can do the exact same thing without paying for it.

No, you didn't. If you did, then the guy who bought the same batch before you had a chance also cheated, even though he had personally ground all his ISK. Just because you got yours through trading doesn't mean it's illegitimate.

Again: you have no advantage. Other people can once more do the exact same thing without paying for it.

The inflation of the game is caused by the increased size of the playerbase since 3 years ago. More people making money, equals more money in circulation. Inflation is a natural result. Furthermore, ship costs have increased considerably to compensate.

I agree with you 100%. In fact, such is the reason why I firmly believe that globalization is destined for failure until a singular currency and pricing format comes about. Either that, or people stop being whiny vaginas every time someone figures out a way around the rigged system (piracy being a good example).