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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#121 - 2013-06-27 20:07:46 UTC
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.



haha... why do you lick the white knight so much?

Raspberry?

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2013-06-27 20:20:57 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.



haha... why do you lick the white knight so much?

Raspberry?

myrtle.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#123 - 2013-06-27 20:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
Tixam Quri wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
Outside of the negative comment.... you are again mistaken.

With your logic CCP should do the following.

1) Remove any requirements to fly ships, mods, etc.
2) Stop the progressive skilling of characters.
3) Remove any leveling in game or character progression.

You could just as easily have a very skilled player who knows exactly how to win your above scenario, but only so darn lazy he refuses to work for it in game and throws down his cash to get this win....to make him feel like a big boy.

Learn the difference . . . . . it's not about skill, it's about long term players not paying anymore for the game and ANY player's ability to add RL money to a game to get a quick road to whatever!!!!

Remove PLEX and you will have to EARN your wins or truly FEEL those losses, and WAIT for those big finishes.


Is that what it is OP? Are you truly FEELING your losses?

So your mad because you HAVE to buy PLEX, and you are pissed because someone asploded your rifter and you burn with hatred just KNOWING that the SOB that made you $hit your shorts is some @sshole vet that farms for his plex?

Am I getting your vibe?

You have no proof of anything and you're whining in GD like a little girl.


No mister Tixam, I didn't lose a ship.... but thank you so much for caring about my feelings.

If you feel that posting a game change is whining, you are mistaken. Change happens if you like it or not, some people comment with real words, others who don't have a strong command of sentences just use derogatory comments and tell the OP to go away.

in either case, I really care about you too!

PS... I don't PVP in this game because there is no PVP in this game! That is what I am posting about.


Let's recap..

with PLEX..

1) I don't have to skill or earn it
2) I don't have to wait for it
3) I don't have to pay, if I'm a lifer or don't want to.
4) I don't have to EVEN PLAY if I want to buy a Merc's players time..

Heck, just send me the kill mail.... it will make me so happy!
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-06-27 20:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.

You are, quite possibly, congenitally impaired.

At least I hope that's the reason . . .

For this bad post.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2013-06-27 21:03:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You can't go 5 sentences without saying Blizzard or WoW can you?


Jenn, confused? You're suppose to be hitting on Ramona. I'm not that way.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2013-06-27 21:05:11 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Bloody Wench wrote:
Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.



haha... why do you lick the white knight so much?

Raspberry?

myrtle.

Cherry.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-06-27 21:08:34 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Chribba wrote:

Raspberry?

myrtle.

Cherry.

good man, I hate cherries.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#128 - 2013-06-27 21:08:44 UTC
Epic thread.

The Tears Must Flow
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-06-27 21:12:17 UTC
Telemicus Thrace wrote:


The greatest benefits of PLEX are:

- More players to shoot / trade with.
- Healthier economy from more ISK needing to be generated.
- Players can trade Cash for ISK risk free and the money goes to CCP instead of RMTs

Honestly though, you are just coming off as another troll. You are insulting and irrational and you don't make any valid point.

Less RMT too.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Obunagawe
#130 - 2013-06-27 21:15:15 UTC
Remove all aspects of the game apart from skill training. It's the only fair way.
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-06-27 21:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tixam Quri
Franco Stein wrote:
No mister Tixam, I didn't lose a ship.... but thank you so much for caring about my feelings.

If you feel that posting a game change is whining, you are mistaken. Change happens if you like it or not, some people comment with real words, others who don't have a strong command of sentences just use derogatory comments and tell the OP to go away.

in either case, I really care about you too!

PS... I don't PVP in this game because there is no PVP in this game! That what I am posting about.


1) I do appreciate the respect in your address. I will respond in kind.

2) Mr. Franco, perhaps I've misjudged your intent. However, your initial post is at the very least a rant embellished with what I can only guess to be your still drying tears.

A:
Franco Stein wrote:
This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.


Please stop ranting in a forum for a game you just don't like. This is called trolling, and you're particularly bad at it.

As others have previously stated you are both incorrect and inexperienced in how the community uses PLEX and how it effects gameplay.

B:
Franco Stein wrote:
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


I assume that you are not trolling on an alt. So...in 29 days, how have you contributed to EVE?

PLEX is payed for by real players... out of pocket. Your argument is invalid.

C:
Franco Stein wrote:
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..


PLEX does not make the game pay to win. Go ahead, sell a few PLEX buy a big ship and find out for yourself.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#132 - 2013-06-27 21:23:00 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:

Franco Stein wrote:
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..


PLEX does not make the game pay to win. Go ahead, sell a few PLEX buy a big ship and find out for yourself.




I can even recommend a few systems for you to bring your shiney pretty ship. I might even help you learn some handy skills.

PLEX has nothing to do with winning. Skill, practice, practice, practice, undocking and not trolling forums is the best place to start.

High Priestess of the Sovereign Realm of Explosions and Light
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#133 - 2013-06-27 21:56:27 UTC
I'm not really sure the OP knows how PLEX works... he certainly doesn't understand what Pay to Win means... Ugh

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Bob Blunts
#134 - 2013-06-27 21:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Blunts
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.

CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.

Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).



Hi! You seem to be unaware of this, but Wow is a completely unredeemable steaming pile of garbage. It has been like this since roughly 2006. Noone here, besides you, gives a rats arse what ~ content ~ any of the drooling theme park retards who play that terrible game are being spoonfed. My 12 year old son won't even touch that crap game because he says "it's for little kids." I'm inclined to agree with him.

HTH.
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-06-27 22:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Morane
Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world that has never played WoW. Never even been to the website.


I have played STO though. That is themepark city. Also, Mr. Epeen once said he was playing a game during that major downtime ccp had a few weeks back but was too embarrassed to mention the title of it. I'm still curious what that was, Mr. Epeen. Lol
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#136 - 2013-06-27 22:52:48 UTC
I think the issues is your definition of winning folks.

Winning doesn't mean Blowing up another players ship, exclusively!

Winning in this game could mean all or none of the following and is certainly effected by RL Money being added to buy earned game items instead of actually earning them or buying them in game from earned efforts.... piracy, trading, whatever?

1) Seed money to trade with= I am a master trader, all I need is a few billion ISK to control my market... let's PLEX it.
2) False value of time vs reward vs risk: My Tengu will cost me one hour of work time, let's role!!! I'll Just PLEX it.
3) Serious advantage in PVE game play of ALL sorts. With Plex I can buy ORCA's, Miners, Storming missions, etc..etc.
4) Legitimately beating a high score (personal or group).... in all areas of the game!

If all you think winning is .... surrounds blowing up another players rig... well, no one can help you.....
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-06-27 22:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
Jimmy Morane wrote:
Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world that has never played WoW. Never even been to the website.


I have played STO though. That is themepark city. Also, Mr. Epeen once said he was playing a game during that major downtime ccp had a few weeks back but was too embarrassed to mention the title of it. I'm still curious what that was, Mr. Epeen. Lol



I have NEVER played that game, although friends do... I WILL NEVER play that game... .... I want to play a space ship game, but there is none that I have found so far that has the potential of this one!

However, I am not posting with my main..... I've played this addictive game for 3 years now and have decided to quit, for stated reasons..... and I am sad because of it..... now feel my PAIN.......... yes you!!! Tixam.... "that is why I cry"!
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2013-06-27 22:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Karsa Egivand
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.


This is true for most people. But there are still a number of people for whom plexing makes sense. Or do you think most people who plex their account are stupid?

There are people who make more than 500M ISK/hour in eve (sometimes quite a bit above that), but those are, admittedly, very few people.
There are some people who cannot really make any income in real life approaching even 5 $/hour (sometimes way less), depending on the country they live in.
Then there are people who enjoy making money in game and simply have enough left over after expenses, so why shouldn't they pay with plex?

(There are a few more cases where plexing your account makes sense, but those are a few to illustrate the case.)
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-06-27 23:03:08 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
I think the issues is your definition of winning folks.

Winning doesn't mean Blowing up another players ship, exclusively!

Winning in this game could mean all or none of the following and is certainly effected by RL Money being added to buy earned game items instead of actually earning them or buying them in game from earned efforts.... piracy, trading, whatever?

1) Seed money to trade with= I am a master trader, all I need is a few billion ISK to control my market... let's PLEX it.
2) False value of time vs reward vs risk: My Tengu will cost me one hour of work time, let's role!!! I'll Just PLEX it.
3) Serious advantage in PVE game play of ALL sorts. With Plex I can buy ORCA's, Miners, Storming missions, etc..etc.
4) Legitimately beating a high score (personal or group).... in all areas of the game!

If all you think winning is .... surrounds blowing up another players rig... well, no one can help you.....



PLEX trade for ~550mil isk or more.

People are not winning with that amount.

They are learning valuable (read: costly) lessons sooner rather than later.

People that are established in game (read and think about this next part carefully) DO NOT NEED TO SELL PLEX TO GET MONEY TO WIN.

So again, let's be perfectly clear here.

You are talking out your arse

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-06-27 23:03:57 UTC
Karsa Egivand wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.


This is true for most people. But there are still a number of people for whom plexing makes sense. Or do you think most people who plex their account are stupid?

There are people who make more than 500M ISK/hour in eve (sometimes quite a bit above that), but those are, admittedly, very few people.
There are some people who cannot really make any income in real life approaching even 5 $/hour (sometimes way less), depending on the country they live in.
Then there are people who enjoy making money in game and simply have enough left over after expenses, so why shouldn't they pay with plex?

(There are a few more cases where plexing your account makes sense, but those are a few to illustrate the case.)



PLEX isn't ISK or it would be called ISK...... know the difference!